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[Not_Mafia]

VC 3.02

PookyTheMagicalBear (0)-

Amélie (0)-

Flea The Magician (3)-

LlamaFluff, PookyTheMagicalBear, VFP

(E-2)

geraintm (1)-

clidd

VFP (0)-

RLotus (0)-

clidd (1)-

geraintm

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Not Voting (4)-

Amélie, Flea The Magician, Almost50, RLotus

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to Eliminate.

Deadline is

(expired on 2021-04-11 19:00:00)

- Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

[LlamaFluff]

I have a feeling it's going to be worthless to try a lim else where.

Im willing to go elsewhere for sure. Its probably A50 and then two of Flea, You, Clidd, Gera and Ame

Site is still freaking out for me, so will see how catchup goes.

[LlamaFluff]

@Flea - Can you vote before I finish my catchup? If you are town I would love to see a case from you here.

[LlamaFluff]

@A50 - You too. I want to see a case.

[clidd]

I felt some positive emotional vibrations from Gera, I will move here for now.

VOTE: Amélie

[LlamaFluff]

If I had to choose between PRs + reads, I would eliminate A50.

If I had to choose between PRs - reads, I would eliminate Pooky.

Why would you want to lim between the PRs at all? Give me another night (a second check) to either catch a scum or clear a townie, then you can take my results into account after I'm dead. Same applies to Pooky tbh. ALSO, Scum are going to have to shoot one of us regardless of whether they have a RB. The one still alive on D4 will tell you if Scum do have a RB.

None of this makes sense unless you want to say Pooky is scum and they have a RBer. My fear is we screw up today, you are scum and then its a 50/50 tomorrow between you and whoever you targeted. Also to be very clear if you dont target Gera/VFP/Clidd/Flea/Ame you die period. Should be obvious, but im making it double obvious.

I think we leave you alone for today, but we can probably do worse. Right now im just debating mass claim or not.

[LlamaFluff]

I felt some positive emotional vibrations from Gera, I will move here for now.

VOTE: Amélie

So is Gera wagon all town... or is VFP scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

mb gera is scum

[clidd]

@Llama

Hard to say. You can have both town and scum on his wagon, considering that the slot is generally scummy regardless of the point of view you are coming from (informed or not).

I'm considering my read on him more individually atm.

pedit: He played like that as town in my last game with him, so idk.

[LlamaFluff]

mb gera is scum

Well yeah... I think only way Gera/Clidd are both town is A50 and Lotus are scum. Im just trying to delay doing what I dont want to spend the time on to an extent.

[clidd]

I mean, his takes are bad and his scumhunting is conceptually weird, but I still haven't found a strong point of ''this is definitely scum'', which is why I'm going back and forth.

There is a decent chance that he's town acting scummy.

[LlamaFluff]

I mean, his takes are bad and his scumhunting is conceptually weird, but I still haven't found a strong point of ''this is definitely scum'', which is why I'm going back and forth.

There is a decent chance that he's town acting scummy.

What is your A50 and Flea reads?

[LlamaFluff]

Also I think this is massclaim day. If anyone has an issue with that, or with me choosing the order, say so in next post.

[clidd]

I mean, his takes are bad and his scumhunting is conceptually weird, but I still haven't found a strong point of ''this is definitely scum'', which is why I'm going back and forth.

There is a decent chance that he's town acting scummy.

What is your A50 and Flea reads?

A50 scum by play and predecessors. Flea neutral-town (I found the tunnel on Dgb yesterday towny, but recently I don't see an argument beyond that for the slot to be town).

[clidd]

I agree with a massclaim.

[Amélie]

So my read on the game is that there is one scum in Clidd and VFP because they feel like they are copying each other at different times which means that one of them is probably scum. No two town ever give off that fake reads feeling. I can't determine which one it is coming from but their interactions don't feel right. I consistently thought the one that was scum was clidd yesterday but now I'm worrying it was VFP. Their interactions do not feel organic.
Looking through the two isos combined, I continue to think there are problems there. I don't think this is scum theatre solely because of how awkward it is but I do not think they are both town ever. A couple earlier quotes:

Spoiler:

Unless none of them are scum...
Or a bussing happened.

Does Amelie look town anyway?

Amélie is definitely more aggressive in this game compared to her scumgame in our past experience.

This can be suggestive if scum!Amélie chooses not to be so aggressive to avoid retaliation, especially with two players who have seen her scumgame (April/me), but it is difficult to say for sure without a behavioral analysis between town!Amélie and scum!Amélie.

For those interested, these are the only meta examples that I have about her:

Towngame>

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Scumgame>

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

But I'm not convinced that it's necessarily coming from scum. Town can also be dissonant sometimes.

I mean, she can be scum, but i am not seeing her scum motivation in alluding to a primary sr but voting for a secondary sr. Scum!Amélie would at least have a basic notion that her vote would need to be in line with the reads/impressions she verbalized.

pedit: Hello.

I can vote amelie here.
Town I feel like are Dann, Solon, Gretchen DGB and Lotus

VOTE: amelie
I think that's E1

i am still wanting to eliminate someone on the wagon yesterday, because i hated everyone on it when i went through the votes and how they happened.

So how many people do you think are on the wagon?
If less than all, what difference is there to lim from there rather than outside?
If you lim wrong and get a town, are you just going to focus on the wagon still?

Personally, although I'm not voting Clidd, I like where this is going and it is actually a decent counter wagon.

VOTE: amelie

I'm open for a wagon on DGB or Amélie, depending on what they both post in the next 24 hours.

I don't think it makes sense for Amélie to have me as a town if she is scum, at the same time that the rapid change of Dgb on me was illogical if he seeks consistency as scum.

I'm also trying to assess whether Bug is still in confbias or if they appropriated from the fact that I was townreading them to have an excuse to go deeper into the tunnel and not have to scumhunt.

Town: Clidd
Null: Geraintm, RLotus, Dannflor, Solon, VFP, Bugspray
Scum: AliceK, DrippingGoofball, Gretchen

I can't help but feel that you go for convenient reads.

Another scum is geraintm. Goofball's wagon had so many people saying they were town but that there was absolutely no way another wagon would go through yet geraintm's built up in a couple pages and died down even faster. This is clear indication of high resistance to a scum wagon. I haven't looked through the wagon yet but just the fact that it ended up on Goofball is a problem. Llama started this switch actually and I still think he is town because if he were scum, he wouldn't have the guts to switch off at such a crucial time especially if geraintm is scum like I think he is.

The last scum could be almost anyone.

[Almost50]

@A50 - You too. I want to see a case.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

None of this makes sense unless you want to say Pooky is scum and they have a RBer.

How does me asking to leave Pooky alone equal me saying he's scum??

[Amélie]

I felt some positive emotional vibrations from Gera, I will move here for now.

VOTE: Amélie

VOTE: Clidd
Start explaining your votes. I'm tired of your flipping back and forth votes.

[LlamaFluff]

None of this makes sense unless you want to say Pooky is scum and they have a RBer.

How does me asking to leave Pooky alone equal me saying he's scum??

Because he got a result. Only other option is that you both are town and scum RBed you. Three claims existed. Gretchen died, Pooky got a result, you claim no action. Only way you and him are town and a scum RB exists is if you got targeted last night.

[Almost50]

Only way you and him are town and a scum RB exists is if you got targeted last night.

If they did then they screwed up. I could not have acted last night. But -of course- they didn't know that.

[Almost50]

I'd be laughing my brains out if it is the case. Me doing NOTHING and still getting targeted by RB would be HILARIOUS.

But now you've managed to make me rethink the RB theory though.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i do not understand what this RBer has to do with anything

[Almost50]

Not much, tbh. I just suggested they let us both live for today and worst case scenario is one of us gets killed and the other gets Roleblocked IF Scum have a Roleblocker. If not then one of us lives to deliver a result.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can we just try to elim bad guys