Micro 1003: Divide and Conquer - Game Over!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no face is Hectic

[Menalque]

Probably but not clear yet

[Infinity 324]

Why do you not think it can be skitt as scum who decides to scum read you?

I'd think that it would be too hard for scum!her to justify, but maybe she can anyway. I'm not sure. I feel like I'm already kind of out of my scumrange though, and will get more so as the game goes on.

Why are you out of your scunrange?

I'm way more decisive than scum!me would me, maybe pooky or mena can see it. I'm not self-aware enough to give a detailed answer to this but I believe it's true

[Menalque]

I’d lowkey expect hectic to play this on his main

[Bingle]

@skitts, ignoring whether we should hit the 3p or the 6p for the moment (the argument is getting fairly circular) if you knew for sure that we were going after the 6p who would you want to see dead rn?

[Infinity 324]

think that vander is town

Explain this take too pls

uh everything that he says is just that pure townie tone and it's very clear he believes in what he's saying and that he thinks that everyone's being silly for proposing something as suboptimal as flipping in 6p and he keeps trying to explain why and his whole pov is just very consistent
and he had a line saying something like 'i don't care if the game takes longer i just want to win' and it was very townie - i'll try to find it

Vander did a pretty similar thing in underage gun control as scum, mena thoughts? I guess he's more decisive here

I definitely think he believes limming in the 3p group is protown

[skitter30]

also is your argument for why conftowning people in the little group bad largely solely based on who's in it or ...
i'm kinda rambling as i think through this but let's say infinity is scum, we flip her today, say i die tonight. are you basically arguing that in that scenario we'd want town-you to be conftowned later so we shouldn't try to flip scum-infinity today ? or am i missing something. or if you die we'd want me to be conftowned later? either way we'd have a conftown through the end of day2, no? that's p good?

If we conftown players in the small pool D1, they're both dead before XLO. It's the same principle as keeping masons hidden as long as possible. Having conftown early is actually pretty useless comparitively.

Also, from a gamestate perspective, we're guaranteed to have at worst a 50/50 at 5p XLO if we go big pool first. I'm not going to say that the possibility of scum fearkilling one of us out of the little pool isn't a factor (it is) but even without it the flip of the bigpool scum IS more informative than the flip of the little pool scum.

ok but we might not get any conftown at all your way
i don't think we should be playing around getting conftown anyways per se so much as we should be trying to flip scum and i think it's easier in the smaller one.

i do think that at worst having 50/50 in 5p xylo is a decent point actually ... but i think if we flip through 3p first we we guarantee 3way, no? it's that better? cuz in 50-50 5p xylo we still need to get it right to get to 3way?

[Bingle]

I think vanders is very null

What'd you think of my vanders town logic?

[Menalque]

I’ll consider infinity on the understanding that if skitt+bingle become conf then we dead sheep them until lylo

[skitter30]

Skitt also knows that I struggle under pressure as town generally, so the plan is to elim me d1 and then NK jingle

but scum-me can't nk jingle there tho ...

[skitter30]

I guess it is slightly +scum for me bc yeh I prob wouldn’t wanna be in the same hood as you (I’d isolate strong players and bus the fuck out of my buddy D1 prob) if I were scum

I think it’s just not that meaningful bc I think a decent number of people here would, if they were scum, not want us in the same hood if we’re both town

i mean fair but that's what i thought when i saw that post
like i didn't say it makes you scum or that this configuration is impossible from town-you

i did have paranoid thoughts there tho

[Infinity 324]

Jingle you specced draft mafia, do you have a read on me here?

I play very reactive as scum is probably the best way to describe it.

[Menalque]

I think vanders is very null

What'd you think of my vanders town logic?

Where? I don’t see it in ur iso

[skitter30]

What I don’t get is how that’s important for whether I was being towny here in thread? @skitter

i don't think i said it was?

[Menalque]

I guess it is slightly +scum for me bc yeh I prob wouldn’t wanna be in the same hood as you (I’d isolate strong players and bus the fuck out of my buddy D1 prob) if I were scum

I think it’s just not that meaningful bc I think a decent number of people here would, if they were scum, not want us in the same hood if we’re both town

i mean fair but that's what i thought when i saw that post
like i didn't say it makes you scum or that this configuration is impossible from town-you

i did have paranoid thoughts there tho

I mean honestly skitt if I role scum this game I probably just cry and then provided my partner is halfway competent I put myself in the 3p and try to enjoy being able to open wolf all game

I’m only scum here ever with infinity, and even then only if infinty’s

really

doubtful of her ability to bring home a win

[Menalque]

What I don’t get is how that’s important for whether I was being towny here in thread? @skitter

i don't think i said it was?

It felt implied?

[Infinity 324]

i mean i think that your approach to this day has been agenda-driven sooooo

Ok I would not be approaching this with an agenda if I was scum, I would be scared shitless and mostly just trying to survive by posting nuance

That's mostly what I did in panic room, my scumrange doesn't extend far beyond that

i literally don't understand how you're approaching this as town either tho

Obviously just ask me to clarify, I want to make it as hard as possible for scum!you to maintain this position

[Menalque]

Yah I think the problem with putting myself in with skitt would be the paranoia, esp in the 3p

ngl i was kinda thinking you were being +town for you until you said this
but this *does* make me paranoid ^

“i was kinda thinking you were being +town” is presumably based on my posting in thread

Idg why paranoia about setup stuff is related to me not being +town based on what I’d posted here

Like

It makes more sense to say that you’re getting paranoid AS WELL almost?

[skitter30]

1. The first 2 posts were made before I was informed that jingle was good at scum, 90 was bringing up a possibility and 106 was pretty tongue-in-cheek
3. I was yeah. Also, having a strong townie alive for longer seems good? If scum wants to kill in the 3p group when we're not limming there then great imo (but I haven't super thought it through)

I want to leave the mechanics to others prob, not the best mech player

ok again this is demonstrating that when you entered the game you thought you'd need to push me, no?

[Bingle]

ok but we might not get any conftown at all your way
i don't think we should be playing around getting conftown anyways per se so much as we should be trying to flip scum and i think it's easier in the smaller one.

i do think that at worst having 50/50 in 5p xylo is a decent point actually ... but i think if we flip through 3p first we we guarantee 3way, no? it's that better? cuz in 50-50 5p xylo we still need to get it right to get to 3way?

Mathematically, limming in the big pool has a very slight advantage numbers wise, although not enough to make it a cut and dry this is the only option decision.

Subjectively, the difference here is low risk - low reward vs moderate risk - moderate reward. If we hit scum in the first two elims in the big pool we still have workable conftown come 5p. If we lim in the small pool we NEVER have conftown in 5p.

On a fundamental level, the more salient point behind me wanting to hit the 6p first is the one pooky brought up: The scum in the 6p can't afford to be elimmed today. The scum in the 3p CAN. I think hunting the former gives us far more useful information to make subjective calls than hunting the latter.

[skitter30]

@skitts, ignoring whether we should hit the 3p or the 6p for the moment (the argument is getting fairly circular) if you knew for sure that we were going after the 6p who would you want to see dead rn?

ya i agree that it's getting circular, sorry
i don't have a good question to the latter question yet - like i'd say ydrasse/nor/no face because i townread the others more but it's kinda a cop-out

[Infinity 324]

1. The first 2 posts were made before I was informed that jingle was good at scum, 90 was bringing up a possibility and 106 was pretty tongue-in-cheek
3. I was yeah. Also, having a strong townie alive for longer seems good? If scum wants to kill in the 3p group when we're not limming there then great imo (but I haven't super thought it through)

I want to leave the mechanics to others prob, not the best mech player

ok again this is demonstrating that when you entered the game you thought you'd need to push me, no?

Yes but I don't think I could do that. I probably wouldn't put us in a hood together to begin with.

I think you're projecting here, you're using my early soft push as an excuse to hard push me here when you would never be this confident in SRing me this early, even if you weren't TRing me

[Infinity 324]

@jingle Do you have a read on me?

[skitter30]

I mean honestly skitt if I role scum this game I probably just cry and then provided my partner is halfway competent I put myself in the 3p and try to enjoy being able to open wolf all game

I’m only scum here ever with infinity, and even then only if infinty’s really doubtful of her ability to bring home a win

this would probably be a hard pl to be scum in, i imagine
i don't follow why infinity would be your partner here

[skitter30]

What I don’t get is how that’s important for whether I was being towny here in thread? @skitter

i don't think i said it was?

It felt implied?

it wasn't