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[Not_Mafia]

VC 3.06

PookyTheMagicalBear (0)-

Amélie (2)-

clidd, Flea The Magician

Flea The Magician (3)-

LlamaFluff, PookyTheMagicalBear, RLotus

(E-2)

geraintm (0)-

VFP (0)-

RLotus (0)-

clidd (2)-

geraintm, Amélie

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

Almost50, VFP

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to Eliminate.

Deadline is

(expired on 2021-04-11 19:00:00)

- Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

[geraintm]

VC 3.05

PookyTheMagicalBear (0)-

Amélie (1)-

clidd

Flea The Magician (4)-

geraintm, LlamaFluff, PookyTheMagicalBear, RLotus

(E-1)

geraintm (0)-

VFP (1)-

Flea The Magician

RLotus (0)-

clidd (1)-

Amélie

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

Almost50, VFP

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to Eliminate.

Deadline is

(expired on 2021-04-11 19:00:00)

- Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

this vote is incorrect i believe, i was voting clidd at the time?

[geraintm]

reading Clidd's posts around the 2300s...there is a reluctance to go beyond amelie at all in their scum reads.

What do you think about VFP then?

vfp...i am trying to make sense of the interactions with flea today

[geraintm]

In post 2331, RLotus wrote:
VOTE: Flea
That's e-1 I believe


I dont support this wagon currently. I find Flea particularly scummy but this wagon feels far too convenient. I'd like to see a strong clidd counter wagon and how the day plays out with that

this is plain just odd

[geraintm]

Definitely isn't a loaded question, it's a good attempt at looking busy though.

this is about vfp - and i really like it

I'm actually quite happy with how this is rolling, counterwagon implies I'm scum and the wagon is being shifted off me. no wagon softclears me. Of course now you're saying we need a counterwagon frames me alongside you as an associative. Bold move for the townie points, sadly failed.

i really hate this though

VFP's post 2373 - i cant work out all the knots they are tying me and flea together in. it almost feels like (an informed) VFP is daring me to not vote for flea because of reasons???

[Not_Mafia]

VC 3.05

PookyTheMagicalBear (0)-

Amélie (1)-

clidd

Flea The Magician (4)-

geraintm, LlamaFluff, PookyTheMagicalBear, RLotus

(E-1)

geraintm (0)-

VFP (1)-

Flea The Magician

RLotus (0)-

clidd (1)-

Amélie

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

Almost50, VFP

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to Eliminate.

Deadline is

(expired on 2021-04-11 19:00:00)

- Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

this vote is incorrect i believe, i was voting clidd at the time?

Corrected. Thank you.

[Flea The Magician]

Definitely isn't a loaded question, it's a good attempt at looking busy though.

this is about vfp - and i really like it

I'm actually quite happy with how this is rolling, counterwagon implies I'm scum and the wagon is being shifted off me. no wagon softclears me. Of course now you're saying we need a counterwagon frames me alongside you as an associative. Bold move for the townie points, sadly failed.

i really hate this though

VFP's post 2373 - i cant work out all the knots they are tying me and flea together in. it almost feels like (an informed) VFP is daring me to not vote for flea because of reasons???

Because VFP is informed. Them and Amélie is my call rn.

[VFP]

Sounds like a solid read in fairness.

[VFP]

VFP is daring me to not vote for flea because of reasons???

No idea how you got to this stage...

[LlamaFluff]

I keep going back and forth between clidd and Flea (honestly im pretty sure its both of them) in large part due to end of D1

HypoSoc

(7)- clidd,

RLotus, Dannflor

,

Gretchen, Featherless Biped

,

bugspray, Solon

Green for town. Purple for PR claim or cleared by PR claim.

My list is probably something like most likely scum to least

Clidd/Flea
-gap-
[One PR]/Gera
VFP
Ame
-massive gap-
Lotus
[Both PRs]

[clidd]

I keep going back and forth between clidd and Flea (honestly im pretty sure its both of them) in large part due to end of D1

HypoSoc

(7)- clidd,

RLotus, Dannflor

,

Gretchen, Featherless Biped

,

bugspray, Solon

Green for town. Purple for PR claim or cleared by PR claim.

My list is probably something like most likely scum to least

Clidd/Flea
-gap-
[One PR]/Gera
VFP
Ame
-massive gap-
Lotus
[Both PRs]

I don't get it.

[clidd]

I keep going back and forth between clidd and Flea (honestly im pretty sure its both of them)

in large part due to end of D1

Explain the colored part.

[LlamaFluff]

I keep going back and forth between clidd and Flea (honestly im pretty sure its both of them)

in large part due to end of D1

Explain the colored part.

D1 final VC on town. Two confirmed town. Two PR claims. Two the PR claims are town. You.

It means either a PR is scum, you are scum, or the entire D1 wagon is town on town.

[clidd]

Spoiler:

I feel like that's a saying or something...
Call me scum, shame on you! Call me scum a second time, well then you're just scum!

No I wanted to see how you would react, but.you completely mis understood what I was saying.
Having to explain it kind of defeated the purpose.

Who do you think is up for the chop when you are eliminated?
The PRs? No
Llama, Lotus? No
Amelie? This just seems like an impossible lim at this point.
That leaves not much to play with on a lim right or lose situation. Not to mention the NK hasn't even been a factor here.

Of course I'm going.to consider myself as a potential mis lim tomorrow if.you flip green.

Assuming this is aimed at me...

Well you got a reaction, and my attention
So lets see, I answer 0 - you get the opportunity to push an informed agenda on me.
I answer 0-1 - It's the only reasonable answer given the context you gave.
I answer 2 - I'm loltrolling or game throwing. Given the situation, ain't the time or place for some loltrolling.

Unless you're attempting to pull some meta level stuff, in which case good luck getting that to work.

Yeah you're having to explain it, because I don't see any sort of town motivation for giving a question thats so closed in potential answers there's rusted padlocks on it.

Why Amélie an unreachable elimination? You're so set on being defeatist on my elimination I'm hella suspicious.

Why Amélie an unreachable elimination? You're so set on being defeatist on my elimination I'm hella suspicious.

I don't even know how to answer this other than read the game? I can tell you this lim is not happening.
And I don't meta. Considering my only completed game you were dead when I joined...

But you're looking at this from a strange way. me and you being scum isn't un reasonable, it's just wrong.
I'm not sure how saying you think there are 0 scum within us though is a case to push informed on you. So if someone like Clidd is saying that there are 0 scum in me and them, is that being informed? considering you know it's not a loaded question.
Personally I'm favouring 0 out of it with us, but not greatly.
Your lim just seems too simple here, and the only connect I would happily put you with is Gera. That means I'd be missing something here.

I think a Gera flip is what gives you motive on yesterday's refusing to swap from the DGB wagon.
If Gera is scum, then the motive is obviously to save a buddy.
If Gera is town, then it just means your plasy was bad, as scum wouldn't care for the Gera flip and probably would be better to kepp DGB alive 1 more day.

You flipping green doesn't benefit what Gera is here.
Flipping red makes Gera look red too though.

I just think people aren't thinking about the lim so much to what information we get, but rather what looks to be the obvious pick.

Saying a question isn't loaded is like taking the magazine out of the gun, but not emptying the chamber. There's still one shot in there you need to be careful of.

There's no counterwagon to me, which states scum are probably happy with this outcome.

Amélies stating to start a counterwagon is sus af. and from what I recall a half-arsed effort.

My motive on the DGB was the claimed guilty which I admit I went too far on looking back.

Vote Amélie, VFP.

I dare you

.

VC 3.05

PookyTheMagicalBear (0)-

Amélie (1)-

clidd

Flea The Magician (4)-

geraintm, LlamaFluff, PookyTheMagicalBear, RLotus

(E-1)

geraintm (0)-

VFP (1)-

Flea The Magician

RLotus (0)-

clidd (1)-

Amélie

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

Almost50, VFP

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to Eliminate.

Deadline is

(expired on 2021-04-11 19:00:00)

- Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

this vote is incorrect i believe, i was voting clidd at the time?

reading Clidd's posts around the 2300s...there is a reluctance to go beyond amelie at all in their scum reads.

What do you think about VFP then?

vfp...i am trying to make sense of the interactions with flea today

In post 2331, RLotus wrote:
VOTE: Flea
That's e-1 I believe


I dont support this wagon currently. I find Flea particularly scummy but this wagon feels far too convenient. I'd like to see a strong clidd counter wagon and how the day plays out with that

this is plain just odd

Definitely isn't a loaded question, it's a good attempt at looking busy though.

this is about vfp - and i really like it

I'm actually quite happy with how this is rolling, counterwagon implies I'm scum and the wagon is being shifted off me. no wagon softclears me. Of course now you're saying we need a counterwagon frames me alongside you as an associative. Bold move for the townie points, sadly failed.

i really hate this though

VFP's post 2373 - i cant work out all the knots they are tying me and flea together in. it almost feels like (an informed) VFP is daring me to not vote for flea because of reasons???

Definitely isn't a loaded question, it's a good attempt at looking busy though.

this is about vfp - and i really like it

I'm actually quite happy with how this is rolling, counterwagon implies I'm scum and the wagon is being shifted off me. no wagon softclears me. Of course now you're saying we need a counterwagon frames me alongside you as an associative. Bold move for the townie points, sadly failed.

i really hate this though

VFP's post 2373 - i cant work out all the knots they are tying me and flea together in. it almost feels like (an informed) VFP is daring me to not vote for flea because of reasons???

Because VFP is informed. Them and Amélie is my call rn.

Sounds like a solid read in fairness.

VFP is daring me to not vote for flea because of reasons???

No idea how you got to this stage...

pedit: Hypo was scummy, I don't see why the full town wagon theory would be less likely than the ''there must be one scum inside'' theory.

[clidd]

Not saying that everyone on the wagon is town (I'm still not 100% confident in the mechanical aspect), but the elimination would happen with or without scum participation.

Which makes me not understand the reason supporting your argument for ''clidd/flea are probably scum''.

I mean, yes, you can scumread me based on PoE or gut, or whatever your mind thinks about my slot, but the reason you came up with is not AI and if it's the only thing making you see me as scum, you should probably
reassess.

[clidd]

Anyways, I feel good about an Amélie elim today.

If it's not going to happen and Flea flips town, I'll obviously reanalyze all my reads before doing anything, but I want support to push Amélie tomorrow (if applicable).

That's all.

[LlamaFluff]

It is a bit significant. Really rare for a D1 wagon to be 100% town, especially one that ends a day. You get more like the below one that happened early using the same color scheme. Granted its poor use of Binomial Distribution (as there is about 10% of results should be ignored due to me not quickly being able to cap it at recognizing three scum) but to have a 7 town wagon is about a 13% chance if everything happens at random in a 10-3 setup (assuming town wont vote themselves)

Da Dude

(6)- AliceK, geraintm, April Ludgate,

Gretchen, Drippinggoofball, Ydrasse

I just dont really care about this game much right now as motivation is just gone. Still have a bit of a town read on Ame because I dont think scum is *this* disconnected from what is actually happening. It feels like town who doesnt care at all, who will miss a whole lot of stuff because they arent caring instead of scum that doesnt care but still has their finger on the pulse of the game.

[clidd]

Yes, you're right, it's significant, but not to the point of delivering the confidence that you seem to have in this read. It would be better if you stated a more practical and less mathematical motive.

Regarding Ame, I didn't see any evidence of town apathy and I think it's likely that she could be faking part of her "disconnected" behavior from the game.

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly I have read anything of D1, lets go peek at the votes....

[clidd]

I'm wondering if the game looked like this after I joined (as I noticed that a lot of people left), but it's probably just the nature of the playerlist (who didn't fit well together for some reason).

[clidd]

I don't care much if we win or lose this, as long as it's possible to extract some learning from the game and the players to have fun, each in their own way.

I'm not even 70% sure if Amélie is the right one, but I'm following what my reads are saying about her. If it's wrong and I get rekt by scum on elo, so be it.

[clidd]

Honestly I have read anything of D1, lets go peek at the votes....

I'm interested in seeing your take on the votes.

No wallposts, stay objective if possible.

[Flea The Magician]

No wallposts, bwahahahahahah!

Too late.

[clidd]

@Llama

Do you want something from me? my take on some post, slot, vote, etc.

Maybe I can help you get interested in the game again.

[clidd]

No wallposts, bwahahahahahah!

Too late.