Micro 1003: Divide and Conquer - Game Over!

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.3

PookyTheMagicalBear (3) - No Face, Ydrasse, Bingle
No Face (2) - PookyTheMagicalBear, Infinity 324
Vanderscamp (2) - Menalque, NorwegianboyEE
Infinity 324 (1) - skitter30

Not voting (1) - Vanderscamp

(expired on 2021-04-20 14:23:00) remain until day end

skitter30 is perpetually V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.

[No Face]

You can tell this is what he is doing right now with his push on me. It's not alignment sorting - it's push to kill.

This really isn't true :<

[Vanderscamp]

im obvtown btw

Great, why?

read me iso

No, I want your take.

My take is that you're not at all obvtown.

you lack familiarity w me, but i'm fairly unable to play like this and keep pace as scum, takes longer, my logic is a lot worse and seen through, more frustration/ate probably, etc, no face pointed out that i quite simply do not Give a fuck, or didnt, but then i started having fun doing things so now i am, and now im town for everyone to see

i soulread no face as town, btw

he's using the same sort of thought processes/logic that he always does as town

Maybe I'm more hesitant to trust this than I should be. Have you correctly scumread him in the past?

PEdit: pooky I know you're friendly as both alignments but "friendly" isn't usually the only word I'd use to describe your play in a towngame. I know you have a big townrange though

uhhhhhh no, i haven't actually played w scum!him that i recall, but... i have a lot of familiarity with his town and there's a certain logic behind the way he thinks about things in games that i'm like... finding it very, very easy to trace back as "he would think this as town, i can see the ways hes connecting a to b"

even without having a scum comparison, i think i have enough faith in how i read his games that i don't need the comparison to be sure, idk, i might be getting blown out of the water but i don't think that i am because it just feels like his towngame, and i think that it's even more commendable with the slightly strange way that no face types, because despite that barrier i still find it like... easy, it's just easy to see

so ye

Ok, I buy it!

[Ydrasse]

pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results

[No Face]

the essence of his push on me isn't "I scumread Pooky"

it's I town-read everyone else for ___, ____, ____, and _____

It leaves one person out of the equation, notably that's himself.

It's an effective strategy for pushing mis-elims on d1 because you create a coalition/support by handing out townreads to get people to help you, and you create a mutual target for everyone to go after.

It's also incredibly difficult for me to defend against because he's not actually scum-reading me for anything, so there's nothing for me to refute

then tomm after I'm flipped town he will "go back" to his townreads and "think" about where he went wrong.

But why can't I just be town who townreads the other 4?_?

[Ydrasse]

VANDERS NO DON'T USE AN EXCLAMATION MARK OR I'M GONNA SCUMREAD YOU NO.

[Infinity 324]

can you explain why pooky's town to me?

You didn't like my reasoning that they would likely be in the 3p hood. Anyway I'd probably be voting pooky if I knew I wasn't hammering, cbf to check the votes

Vander's tone feels exactly the same as UGC to me lol but I'm leaning town there anyway

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: pooky

[Infinity 324]

UNVOTE: actually that's E-1 we should discuss more but my vote is there in spirit

[Ydrasse]

vanders was feeling fine to me and then i saw the ! and now i'm like HMMM

[Ydrasse]

but also idk if he just that easily as scum goes "yep sure!" ya know

[Vanderscamp]

the goal of any scum player is to drive the agenda and replicate their town play into their scum game so that a player reading them can follow along to the conclusions they reach -> that's how a scum gets mis-elims in the first place.

You can tell this is what he is doing right now with his push on me. It's not alignment sorting - it's push to kill.

This is a pretty strange take

[Infinity 324]

It's an effective strategy for pushing mis-elims on d1

It's also an effective strategy as town when you trust your TRs more than your SRs

I said earlier that I rely on PoE as scum to SR people, but only because I do so as town as well

[Vanderscamp]

the essence of his push on me isn't "I scumread Pooky"

it's I town-read everyone else for ___, ____, ____, and _____

It leaves one person out of the equation, notably that's himself.

It's an effective strategy for pushing mis-elims on d1 because you create a coalition/support by handing out townreads to get people to help you, and you create a mutual target for everyone to go after.

It's also incredibly difficult for me to defend against because he's not actually scum-reading me for anything, so there's nothing for me to refute

then tomm after I'm flipped town he will "go back" to his townreads and "think" about where he went wrong.

But why can't he be town doing this and being wrong?

[Infinity 324]

but also idk if he just that easily as scum goes "yep sure!" ya know

I think it's probably +town, reads like that are very easy to ignore as scum and it means he's committed to TRing a townie for no real benefit

[Vanderscamp]

VANDERS NO DON'T USE AN EXCLAMATION MARK OR I'M GONNA SCUMREAD YOU NO.

Ok

[Vanderscamp]

can you explain why pooky's town to me?

You didn't like my reasoning that they would likely be in the 3p hood. Anyway I'd probably be voting pooky if I knew I wasn't hammering, cbf to check the votes

Vander's tone feels exactly the same as UGC to me lol but I'm leaning town there anyway

This is my biggest concern of yd (although I buy their logic about why they are obviously town), I don't think I sound very different from UGC and I think your and mena's reads on me kind of confirm that.

[Infinity 324]

I kind of soulread ydrasse too lmao

Her explanation of her soulread on hectic really clicked for me

Beautiful soul circle

[No Face]

Pooky if you want the reasons why I think you could be scum and have been on the back of No Face's mind:

In the last coalition game you played as town, you were really excited about the prospect of a day 1 win and actively pushed hard for it. But while doing this you were also outting lots of reads are trying to win the game by finding town and scum

In this game, you acted similarly about the big day 1 win but did nothing to help it like giving reads or finding town/scum. It's like you're going through the motions but not doing the fieldwork I saw you were eager to do in that coalition game

:/

[Vanderscamp]

VOTE: Pooky because what they just said about no face's scum read on them really made no sense at all.
This should be E-1

[Ydrasse]

i came around on you infinity because i had ... a soul moment too, where i felt your frustration and it felt like some i've had recently

[Vanderscamp]

Pooky if you want the reasons why I think you could be scum and have been on the back of No Face's mind:

In the last coalition game you played as town, you were really excited about the prospect of a day 1 win and actively pushed hard for it. But while doing this you were also outting lots of reads are trying to win the game by finding town and scum

In this game, you acted similarly about the big day 1 win but did nothing to help it like giving reads or finding town/scum. It's like you're going through the motions but not doing the fieldwork I saw you were eager to do in that coalition game

:/

Was this the one I was in?

I don't remember pooky being in that game at all, was it a different account?

[Ydrasse]

can you explain why pooky's town to me?

You didn't like my reasoning that they would likely be in the 3p hood. Anyway I'd probably be voting pooky if I knew I wasn't hammering, cbf to check the votes

Vander's tone feels exactly the same as UGC to me lol but I'm leaning town there anyway

This is my biggest concern of yd (although I buy their logic about why they are obviously town), I don't think I sound very different from UGC and I think your and mena's reads on me kind of confirm that.

there are a few posts that i look back on in retrospect and feel very fake with how you're like... it was how you interacted with mena and it involved the usage of ! and i was like cool, it doesn't feel like faux-chipper energy and the like like it did there, like you're not forcing yourself this time

if that makes sense

[No Face]

He was in a hydra with Koba

Mystic Bears, it was a fun account :D

[Infinity 324]

i came around on you infinity because i had ... a soul moment too, where i felt your frustration and it felt like some i've had recently

SOUL CIRCLE

pooky feels a bit like menagerie I think