it kind of is because in the face of new information you are choosing to persist instead of resetting :3In post 651, No Face wrote:This really isn't true :<In post 640, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:You can tell this is what he is doing right now with his push on me. It's not alignment sorting - it's push to kill.
okay can i ask who you townread right now...? who isn't concerning?In post 723, Menalque wrote:because i don’t think i’ve actually been particularly town so farIn post 715, Ydrasse wrote:why are you being so stubborn about being townread
no face is, also, town. soulread as town.
vanders could be scum sure but i feel from underage that i get a different vibe and even if it's subtle it's enough to feel towny to me
and norwee i guess could be scum, sure, but he feels like he did in that normal
Or like I’m approaching this in a very similar way to how I’d approach it as scum, I guess
vanders is literally playing exactly as opportunistically as he did in UGC lmao? Like one incredibly blatant thing he did there was just put people to like E-1 or E-2 when they were viable for no reason, aka exactly what he just did to pooky here
No face is like, incredibly null off posting and that almost stretches into concerning if the hectic!alt assumption is correct
Norwee like could be scum but also could not be, he’s kind of concerningly fluffy
the plan says to let the 3 pool make the elim decision because of the constraints on the scum side and because the information generated would lead to a superior outcome even if we miss on d1.In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results
if he was being scummy i'm going to scumread him but.. he's not this game? he is Towny, like, idk, he's not some perfect player where town always looks like scum and i have faith that WHen That Day Comes i will be able to go to myself, "oh weird, this isn't the logic/process i'd expect, huh, what's up with this" and go from there but i've not been pinged to do that at all this gameIn post 724, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 649, Ydrasse wrote:maybe i am but i just feel through playing a lot of games w him i've grown to just Know what his towngame is, maybe i need a scumgame to be thrown out of the saddle but for now i'm good w townreading no faceIn post 644, Infinity 324 wrote:I think you're probably giving this read more strength than you should, it's very easy to be biased by things like this, but it's still a good reason to TR someoneIn post 638, Ydrasse wrote:i dunno, i considered that, but i think especially with the gimmick there would be disconnects , albeit small ones
idk, i just feel like i really Get how he works through things and i don't know how naturally he's able to replicate it even if he is a good scum player? it's hard to explain like, how he works through things but i just Feel it
this is just default townreading someone all the time lol
Yes, but he’s also decently accurate even if the stated reasoning isn’t there or is mehIn post 721, Vanderscamp wrote:If pooky is a player who doesn't solve games and frequently gives poor reasons for accusations, then sure, what you're saying is fair.In post 718, Menalque wrote:Who cares? Like if pooky wanted to fabricate a case on no face to really push him as a mislim he’d prob just come up with actual solid reasons?In post 703, Vanderscamp wrote:I think his case against no face is extremely weird, it just feels like a retaliation.In post 689, Menalque wrote:Like literally explain to me why pooky is scum
Substantiate any actual reason for it based on his play so far
I don't understand why pooky thinks no face has to be scum for POEing pooky as scum and not town with an incorrect PoE. There was a comment in there that was something like "notice how no face is leaving himself out of his own suspect list" or something like that that I thought was very scummy.
I think pooky has done very little to try to solve the game, I think the only thing pooky has going for him is that he is imo blatantly not trying to look good, but this is also different from mystic bears in the coalition game where that slot was pretty obviously town.
And pooky hardly ever does much to try and solve the game it’s why he’s an annoyingly difficult slot to solve, but that doesn’t actually make him scum, that’s just a feature of how he plays
But I'm not reading someone giving bad reasons on a retaliated scum read as a reason to think they're town.
idc about the plan i wanna know how you feel BEYOND that!!!!In post 728, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the plan says to let the 3 pool make the elim decision because of the constraints on the scum side and because the information generated would lead to a superior outcome even if we miss on d1.In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results
Because you're not really sorting my slot and I understand this type of push because I use it a lot.In post 654, No Face wrote:But why can't I just be town who townreads the other 4?_?In post 647, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the essence of his push on me isn't "I scumread Pooky"
it's I town-read everyone else for ___, ____, ____, and _____
It leaves one person out of the equation, notably that's himself.
It's an effective strategy for pushing mis-elims on d1 because you create a coalition/support by handing out townreads to get people to help you, and you create a mutual target for everyone to go after.
It's also incredibly difficult for me to defend against because he's not actually scum-reading me for anything, so there's nothing for me to refute
then tomm after I'm flipped town he will "go back" to his townreads and "think" about where he went wrong.
In post 728, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the plan says to let the 3 pool make the elim decision because of the constraints on the scum side and because the information generated would lead to a superior outcome even if we miss on d1.In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results
didn't I save you in the normal on d1? lolIn post 734, Menalque wrote:If I get lim’d today I wanna be deadsheeped tomorrow
@pooky u owe me for the normal
Basically uIn post 727, Ydrasse wrote:okay can i ask who you townread right now...? who isn't concerning?In post 723, Menalque wrote:because i don’t think i’ve actually been particularly town so farIn post 715, Ydrasse wrote:why are you being so stubborn about being townread
no face is, also, town. soulread as town.
vanders could be scum sure but i feel from underage that i get a different vibe and even if it's subtle it's enough to feel towny to me
and norwee i guess could be scum, sure, but he feels like he did in that normal
Or like I’m approaching this in a very similar way to how I’d approach it as scum, I guess
vanders is literally playing exactly as opportunistically as he did in UGC lmao? Like one incredibly blatant thing he did there was just put people to like E-1 or E-2 when they were viable for no reason, aka exactly what he just did to pooky here
No face is like, incredibly null off posting and that almost stretches into concerning if the hectic!alt assumption is correct
Norwee like could be scum but also could not be, he’s kind of concerningly fluffy
I deadsheeped u on fark and helped save skitter!In post 738, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:didn't I save you in the normal on d1? lolIn post 734, Menalque wrote:If I get lim’d today I wanna be deadsheeped tomorrow
@pooky u owe me for the normal
let's just call it even
In post 736, Vanderscamp wrote:In post 728, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the plan says to let the 3 pool make the elim decision because of the constraints on the scum side and because the information generated would lead to a superior outcome even if we miss on d1.In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results
But this is still a terrible plan, we are giving the decision to a pool that contains a high % of scum that is disincentivized to bus.
It is about the best way to guarantee we miskill today, and the "information" we get from it will likely be that the people in the small pool were wrong about the town we just killed.
BEGONE, I SHAN'T BE POCKETED LIKE THISIn post 739, Menalque wrote:Basically uIn post 727, Ydrasse wrote:okay can i ask who you townread right now...? who isn't concerning?In post 723, Menalque wrote:because i don’t think i’ve actually been particularly town so farIn post 715, Ydrasse wrote:why are you being so stubborn about being townread
no face is, also, town. soulread as town.
vanders could be scum sure but i feel from underage that i get a different vibe and even if it's subtle it's enough to feel towny to me
and norwee i guess could be scum, sure, but he feels like he did in that normal
Or like I’m approaching this in a very similar way to how I’d approach it as scum, I guess
vanders is literally playing exactly as opportunistically as he did in UGC lmao? Like one incredibly blatant thing he did there was just put people to like E-1 or E-2 when they were viable for no reason, aka exactly what he just did to pooky here
No face is like, incredibly null off posting and that almost stretches into concerning if the hectic!alt assumption is correct
Norwee like could be scum but also could not be, he’s kind of concerningly fluffy
This isn’t true and is a bad assumption and lends itself to gambitingIn post 741, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the scum in the 3pool can't bus
that's t rueIn post 740, Menalque wrote:I deadsheeped u on fark and helped save skitter!
If he's scum he has only one partner, and it's contained in a pool of three people, of which iirc two are not voting him.In post 731, Menalque wrote:Yes, but he’s also decently accurate even if the stated reasoning isn’t there or is mehIn post 721, Vanderscamp wrote:If pooky is a player who doesn't solve games and frequently gives poor reasons for accusations, then sure, what you're saying is fair.In post 718, Menalque wrote:Who cares? Like if pooky wanted to fabricate a case on no face to really push him as a mislim he’d prob just come up with actual solid reasons?In post 703, Vanderscamp wrote:I think his case against no face is extremely weird, it just feels like a retaliation.In post 689, Menalque wrote:Like literally explain to me why pooky is scum
Substantiate any actual reason for it based on his play so far
I don't understand why pooky thinks no face has to be scum for POEing pooky as scum and not town with an incorrect PoE. There was a comment in there that was something like "notice how no face is leaving himself out of his own suspect list" or something like that that I thought was very scummy.
I think pooky has done very little to try to solve the game, I think the only thing pooky has going for him is that he is imo blatantly not trying to look good, but this is also different from mystic bears in the coalition game where that slot was pretty obviously town.
And pooky hardly ever does much to try and solve the game it’s why he’s an annoyingly difficult slot to solve, but that doesn’t actually make him scum, that’s just a feature of how he plays
But I'm not reading someone giving bad reasons on a retaliated scum read as a reason to think they're town.
And it’s not that I’m saying I have a locktown read on pooky
I’m saying this wagon is trash because there’s no reason to suspect pooky over multiple others in the 6p pool, and therefore the incredible ease with which he arrived at e-1 WITHOUT good reasons is a good reason to think now that he’s town
i mean sure they could go very gambitty but I wanna push the scum to take risks in this kind of setupIn post 743, Menalque wrote:This isn’t true and is a bad assumption and lends itself to gambitingIn post 741, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the scum in the 3pool can't bus
But knowing that scum aren't bussing isn't useful when the end result is killing a town.In post 741, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 736, Vanderscamp wrote:In post 728, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the plan says to let the 3 pool make the elim decision because of the constraints on the scum side and because the information generated would lead to a superior outcome even if we miss on d1.In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results
But this is still a terrible plan, we are giving the decision to a pool that contains a high % of scum that is disincentivized to bus.
It is about the best way to guarantee we miskill today, and the "information" we get from it will likely be that the people in the small pool were wrong about the town we just killed.we don't actually have to follow the plan if we don't like the result at the end.
it's more to take advantage of the fact that the scum in the 3pool can't bus due to game constraints to generate information.