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Post Post #875 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:10 pm

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hello i am here and just skimmed like 20p >.>

infinity i want to table our discussion for now and/or continue it in the pt - it looks like we're focusing on the big pool rn so this discussion is kinda functionally moot atm and i don't have the energy for it today if this isn't going to immediately go anywhere; i promise i will circle back tho

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i don't really get the pooky wagon or why it's, like, a thing. the gist of it seems to be that people don't think he's been townie? he's like always dead null at this stage of the game and doesn't really become sortable until like eod1 at the earliest ime

didn't really l ike infinity's e1 vote
didn't really like vander's e1 vote either but i still think his early game outweighs that
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Post Post #876 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:11 pm

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Bingle u coward i was about to post intent
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Post Post #877 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:11 pm

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no u weren't
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Post Post #878 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:12 pm

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This has got to be one of the worst defences I have seen.
Everything pooky is saying is so confident but the reasons are really not there, none of what he is saying makes sense or justifies the attitude he's portraying.
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Post Post #879 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:12 pm

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In post 875, skitter30 wrote:infinity i want to table our discussion for now and/or continue it in the pt - it looks like we're focusing on the big pool rn so this discussion is kinda functionally moot atm and i don't have the energy for it today if this isn't going to immediately go anywhere; i promise i will circle back tho
I prefer this yeah.
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Post Post #880 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:12 pm

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i might have been
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Post Post #881 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:13 pm

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In post 851, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 841, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Bingle pushing me hard.

because he has bingle as his most likely scum in the 3 pool,

he knows bingle can't push me if I'm partnered with Bingle because if the scum in the 6pool flips then the game is over.

He decided to hand-wave the information to continue with his push instead of re-evaluating.
To me SRing someone when rand is a 33% chance of them being scum means there's a 40% chance of being scum so I don't really get this argument

Infinity put yourself in a town player's shoes.

You're pushing Player X to be elimmed from 6Pool

The person you most believe to be scum from 3Pool decides to also hardpush Player X.

At that point do you double down on your push or do you re-evaluate where you are going?

Because remember the 3Pool scum can't actually bus the 6Pool scum, 6Pool scum flips, the game is over.

His reaction to Bingle pushing me was to just hand-wave it and continue on like nothing was happening.

That's not a town!no face reaction because town him would be re-evaling as the push goes on and he sees how much traction he gets.

Remember he called me/bingle a team even after bingle pushed me.


Furthermore think about what the scum in the 6pool does.

Let's say you flip red alignment, you put yourself in 6 pool, you're fairly sure the battle is going to be here, someone is going to get elimmed and you need it not to be you.

You need a pathway to push a mis-elim, you can't really afford to twiddle your fingers and like hope to chill right?

He began the game with a push not on an SR but on 4 TRs in the first couple of pages because there's nothing to refute when you push on POE and its got side effect of helping you pocket some townies along the way who can help you push.

Like if he wanted to actually sort my alignment, he'd have something he'd SR me that he'd want to talk about right?

like hey Pooky you posted ____ which is scummy, or Pooky I don't see why town you posts that.

Nah instead it's just I TR these 4 so you are scum by extension.

That's not something I can have a conversation with him about.

Even if he were to make some shit up about Pooky is scum because of ____, then at least we'd have something to talk about and that might help him sort my alignment.

Instead he's not
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and I'm sure after I flip town tommorrow he will have "re-evaluated his townreads" and decided ____ is actually the villain.
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Post Post #882 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:14 pm

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In post 879, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 875, skitter30 wrote:infinity i want to table our discussion for now and/or continue it in the pt - it looks like we're focusing on the big pool rn so this discussion is kinda functionally moot atm and i don't have the energy for it today if this isn't going to immediately go anywhere; i promise i will circle back tho
I prefer this yeah.
sounds like a plan.
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Post Post #883 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:14 pm

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In post 881, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:That's not a town!no face reaction because town him would be re-evaling as the push goes on and he sees how much traction he gets.

Remember he called me/bingle a team even after bingle pushed me.
So uh

How does you insisting that scum cannot bus and bingle then unvoting you tie into this equation?
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Post Post #884 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:15 pm

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In post 854, No Face wrote:I know how Pooky is in his prime 1v1ing and I hate 1v1ing

I don't pick him to push anyway if I was scum :#
if I'm in my prime 1v1ing why didn't I 1v1 push somebody myself instead of
saying that the best way to sort both pools is to make the three player pool decide who to elim from the six player pool
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Post Post #885 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:15 pm

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Pooky you're talking to the absolute wrong person here. Substantiating my scumreads with reasons outside of PoE is not exactly something I'm known for, and I don't ever stop pushing people I scumread because another person I scumread doesn't make sense as a partner.
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Post Post #886 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:16 pm

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In post 759, Menalque wrote:I think there’s a lot of benefit to whoever is scum in skitter/bingle, assuming infinity!town, just sheeping the other’s reads as closely as possible
Probably, yeah.

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Post Post #887 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:17 pm

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In post 885, Infinity 324 wrote:Substantiating my scumreads with reasons outside of PoE is not exactly something I'm known for
You appreciate how irritating this is tho right
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Post Post #888 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:17 pm

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In post 883, Menalque wrote:
In post 881, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:That's not a town!no face reaction because town him would be re-evaling as the push goes on and he sees how much traction he gets.

Remember he called me/bingle a team even after bingle pushed me.
So uh

How does you insisting that scum cannot bus and bingle then unvoting you tie into this equation?
he hadn't unvoted me when I was making the post.

Also it doesn't change the fact that No Face was hardpushing me and not re-evaling as Bingle was also pushing me and voting me.
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Post Post #889 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:17 pm

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Skitt could I get a readslist from u too pls
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Post Post #890 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:18 pm

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In post 887, Menalque wrote:
In post 885, Infinity 324 wrote:Substantiating my scumreads with reasons outside of PoE is not exactly something I'm known for
You appreciate how irritating this is tho right
Mena my goal when scumhunting is not for my playstyle to make others happy, it's to...find scum. I understand how it could be frustrating, but I'm not going to stop using a technique that works because you don't like it.
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Post Post #891 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:19 pm

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i'm at something like:

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Post Post #892 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm

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I mean if it reliably worked at significantly better than rand then okay, but have u considered that doing something that makes it actively harder to engage with you about your most important reads makes the overall town less functional even if it does (as opposed to you simply thinking it does) help u as a player
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Post Post #893 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:20 pm

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In post 885, Infinity 324 wrote:Pooky you're talking to the absolute wrong person here. Substantiating my scumreads with reasons outside of PoE is not exactly something I'm known for, and I don't ever stop pushing people I scumread because another person I scumread doesn't make sense as a partner.
In fact I'm coming from pretty much the exact same spot as no face because I SR you mostly by PoE and jingle has a 50% to be scum from my PoV, which is more than from hectic's PoV unless he's absurdly confident

UNVOTE: symbolic unvote because mena posted something I felt was towny I think
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Post Post #894 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:21 pm

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Skitter and bingle why do you not want to eliminate infinity? And why is she still at the bottom for both of you?
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Post Post #895 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:21 pm

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VOTE: no face

mena why exactly do u scumread vander again

pedit i do want to eliminate infinity but if we're flipping in 6p i can't ...
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Post Post #896 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:21 pm

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In post 892, Menalque wrote:I mean if it reliably worked at significantly better than rand then okay, but have u considered that doing something that makes it actively harder to engage with you about your most important reads makes the overall town less functional even if it does (as opposed to you simply thinking it does) help u as a player
Fair enough, but what you're asking me to do would require faking reads as town pretty often. I am trying to get better about articulating my reads though.
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Post Post #897 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:23 pm

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I mean I guess u seem surprisingly chill about accepting that instead of pushing harder for infinity

Largely the fact that he was pinging me yesterday for being just ~around~ imo, and v v bland in his takes (reminded me of UGC)

Plus him then making a super opportunistic vote on pooky which, again, lines up with what he did not once but at least twice in UGC, I wanna say like 3 times on the one day he was alive
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Post Post #898 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:24 pm

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In post 896, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 892, Menalque wrote:I mean if it reliably worked at significantly better than rand then okay, but have u considered that doing something that makes it actively harder to engage with you about your most important reads makes the overall town less functional even if it does (as opposed to you simply thinking it does) help u as a player
Fair enough, but what you're asking me to do would require faking reads as town pretty often. I am trying to get better about articulating my reads though.
I don’t see how this would require faking reads?
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Post Post #899 (ISO) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:24 pm

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In post 891, skitter30 wrote:i'm at something like:

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