Micro 1003: Divide and Conquer - Game Over!

[skitter30]

hello i am here and just skimmed like 20p >.>

infinity i want to table our discussion for now and/or continue it in the pt - it looks like we're focusing on the big pool rn so this discussion is kinda functionally moot atm and i don't have the energy for it today if this isn't going to immediately go anywhere; i promise i will circle back tho

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i don't really get the pooky wagon or why it's, like, a thing. the gist of it seems to be that people don't think he's been townie? he's like always dead null at this stage of the game and doesn't really become sortable until like eod1 at the earliest ime

didn't really l ike infinity's e1 vote
didn't really like vander's e1 vote either but i still think his early game outweighs that

[Menalque]

Bingle u coward i was about to post intent

[skitter30]

no u weren't

[Vanderscamp]

This has got to be one of the worst defences I have seen.
Everything pooky is saying is so confident but the reasons are really not there, none of what he is saying makes sense or justifies the attitude he's portraying.

[Infinity 324]

infinity i want to table our discussion for now and/or continue it in the pt - it looks like we're focusing on the big pool rn so this discussion is kinda functionally moot atm and i don't have the energy for it today if this isn't going to immediately go anywhere; i promise i will circle back tho

I prefer this yeah.

[Menalque]

i might have been

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bingle pushing me hard.

because he has bingle as his most likely scum in the 3 pool,

he knows bingle can't push me if I'm partnered with Bingle because if the scum in the 6pool flips then the game is over.

He decided to hand-wave the information to continue with his push instead of re-evaluating.

To me SRing someone when rand is a 33% chance of them being scum means there's a 40% chance of being scum so I don't really get this argument

Infinity put yourself in a town player's shoes.

You're pushing Player X to be elimmed from 6Pool

The person you most believe to be scum from 3Pool decides to also hardpush Player X.

At that point do you double down on your push or do you re-evaluate where you are going?

Because remember the 3Pool scum can't actually bus the 6Pool scum, 6Pool scum flips, the game is over.

His reaction to Bingle pushing me was to just hand-wave it and continue on like nothing was happening.

That's not a town!no face reaction because town him would be re-evaling as the push goes on and he sees how much traction he gets.

Remember he called me/bingle a team even after bingle pushed me.


Furthermore think about what the scum in the 6pool does.

Let's say you flip red alignment, you put yourself in 6 pool, you're fairly sure the battle is going to be here, someone is going to get elimmed and you need it not to be you.

You need a pathway to push a mis-elim, you can't really afford to twiddle your fingers and like hope to chill right?

He began the game with a push not on an SR but on 4 TRs in the first couple of pages because there's nothing to refute when you push on POE and its got side effect of helping you pocket some townies along the way who can help you push.

Like if he wanted to actually sort my alignment, he'd have something he'd SR me that he'd want to talk about right?

like hey Pooky you posted ____ which is scummy, or Pooky I don't see why town you posts that.

Nah instead it's just I TR these 4 so you are scum by extension.

That's not something I can have a conversation with him about.

Even if he were to make some shit up about Pooky is scum because of ____, then at least we'd have something to talk about and that might help him sort my alignment.

Instead he's not

interested

in sorting my alignment - the goal of the push is to get a mis-elim.

and I'm sure after I flip town tommorrow he will have "re-evaluated his townreads" and decided ____ is actually the villain.

[skitter30]

infinity i want to table our discussion for now and/or continue it in the pt - it looks like we're focusing on the big pool rn so this discussion is kinda functionally moot atm and i don't have the energy for it today if this isn't going to immediately go anywhere; i promise i will circle back tho

I prefer this yeah.

sounds like a plan.

[Menalque]

That's not a town!no face reaction because town him would be re-evaling as the push goes on and he sees how much traction he gets.

Remember he called me/bingle a team even after bingle pushed me.

So uh

How does you insisting that scum cannot bus and bingle then unvoting you tie into this equation?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I know how Pooky is in his prime 1v1ing and I hate 1v1ing

I don't pick him to push anyway if I was scum :#

if I'm in my prime 1v1ing why didn't I 1v1 push somebody myself instead of

saying that the best way to sort both pools is to make the three player pool decide who to elim from the six player pool

[Infinity 324]

Pooky you're talking to the absolute wrong person here. Substantiating my scumreads with reasons outside of PoE is not exactly something I'm known for, and I don't ever stop pushing people I scumread because another person I scumread doesn't make sense as a partner.

[Bingle]

I think there’s a lot of benefit to whoever is scum in skitter/bingle, assuming infinity!town, just sheeping the other’s reads as closely as possible

Probably, yeah.

For reference, those reads are:

Vanders
Mena
Norwee

Y

NoFace/Pooky


Skit
Infinity

[Menalque]

Substantiating my scumreads with reasons outside of PoE is not exactly something I'm known for

You appreciate how irritating this is tho right

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That's not a town!no face reaction because town him would be re-evaling as the push goes on and he sees how much traction he gets.

Remember he called me/bingle a team even after bingle pushed me.

So uh

How does you insisting that scum cannot bus and bingle then unvoting you tie into this equation?

he hadn't unvoted me when I was making the post.

Also it doesn't change the fact that No Face was hardpushing me and not re-evaling as Bingle was also pushing me and voting me.

[Menalque]

Skitt could I get a readslist from u too pls

[Infinity 324]

Substantiating my scumreads with reasons outside of PoE is not exactly something I'm known for

You appreciate how irritating this is tho right

Mena my goal when scumhunting is not for my playstyle to make others happy, it's to...find scum. I understand how it could be frustrating, but I'm not going to stop using a technique that works because you don't like it.

[skitter30]

i'm at something like:

ydrasse
mena
vander
pooky
nor, bingle - null/idk
no face
infinity

[Menalque]

I mean if it reliably worked at significantly better than rand then okay, but have u considered that doing something that makes it actively harder to engage with you about your most important reads makes the overall town less functional even if it does (as opposed to you simply thinking it does) help u as a player

[Infinity 324]

Pooky you're talking to the absolute wrong person here. Substantiating my scumreads with reasons outside of PoE is not exactly something I'm known for, and I don't ever stop pushing people I scumread because another person I scumread doesn't make sense as a partner.

In fact I'm coming from pretty much the exact same spot as no face because I SR you mostly by PoE and jingle has a 50% to be scum from my PoV, which is more than from hectic's PoV unless he's absurdly confident

UNVOTE: symbolic unvote because mena posted something I felt was towny I think

[Menalque]

Skitter and bingle why do you not want to eliminate infinity? And why is she still at the bottom for both of you?

[skitter30]

VOTE: no face

mena why exactly do u scumread vander again

pedit i do want to eliminate infinity but if we're flipping in 6p i can't ...

[Infinity 324]

I mean if it reliably worked at significantly better than rand then okay, but have u considered that doing something that makes it actively harder to engage with you about your most important reads makes the overall town less functional even if it does (as opposed to you simply thinking it does) help u as a player

Fair enough, but what you're asking me to do would require faking reads as town pretty often. I am trying to get better about articulating my reads though.

[Menalque]

I mean I guess u seem surprisingly chill about accepting that instead of pushing harder for infinity

Largely the fact that he was pinging me yesterday for being just ~around~ imo, and v v bland in his takes (reminded me of UGC)

Plus him then making a super opportunistic vote on pooky which, again, lines up with what he did not once but at least twice in UGC, I wanna say like 3 times on the one day he was alive

[Menalque]

I mean if it reliably worked at significantly better than rand then okay, but have u considered that doing something that makes it actively harder to engage with you about your most important reads makes the overall town less functional even if it does (as opposed to you simply thinking it does) help u as a player

Fair enough, but what you're asking me to do would require faking reads as town pretty often. I am trying to get better about articulating my reads though.

I don’t see how this would require faking reads?

[Ydrasse]

i'm at something like:

ydrasse
mena
vander
pooky
nor, bingle - null/idk
no face
infinity

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