Micro 1003: Divide and Conquer - Game Over!

[Infinity 324]

Like, I believe very strongly that using traditional scumtells doesn't help 90+% of the time, so I can't ever guarantee that I'll always be able to make people go "yeah that makes sense" in response to an SR of mine. However, I still have a lot of work to do in helping my playstyle to mesh with towns better and I get that.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you serious

did you not just play that mini with us where I hard defended the shit out of norwee-town?[/q]
I think pooky is even more mafia now

I think it is EXTREMELY scummy to say "well who could this player possibly have pushed on other than me?" and then try to use the above as a reason why no face wouldn't be inclined to push Norwegian, to nitpick at an answer to a question that is very obviously wrong.
Like, it should be extremely clear to everyone that pooky is not literally the only player in the pool of six that no face could have pushed on.

I'm saying he's literally seen me read norwee town correctly and defend norwee from a scum push so I'm pretty sure he would know he couldn't get away with pushing norwee-town in this game state...

[Infinity 324]

I don’t see how this would require faking reads?

If I truly believe someone is scum and don't have any reasons other people would think make sense, I would have to make something up for people to get it.

[Vanderscamp]

Bingle pushing me hard.

because he has bingle as his most likely scum in the 3 pool,

he knows bingle can't push me if I'm partnered with Bingle because if the scum in the 6pool flips then the game is over.

He decided to hand-wave the information to continue with his push instead of re-evaluating.

To me SRing someone when rand is a 33% chance of them being scum means there's a 40% chance of being scum so I don't really get this argument

Infinity put yourself in a town player's shoes.

You're pushing Player X to be elimmed from 6Pool

The person you most believe to be scum from 3Pool decides to also hardpush Player X.

At that point do you double down on your push or do you re-evaluate where you are going?

Because remember the 3Pool scum can't actually bus the 6Pool scum, 6Pool scum flips, the game is over.

His reaction to Bingle pushing me was to just hand-wave it and continue on like nothing was happening.

That's not a town!no face reaction because town him would be re-evaling as the push goes on and he sees how much traction he gets.

Remember he called me/bingle a team even after bingle pushed me.


Furthermore think about what the scum in the 6pool does.

Let's say you flip red alignment, you put yourself in 6 pool, you're fairly sure the battle is going to be here, someone is going to get elimmed and you need it not to be you.

You need a pathway to push a mis-elim, you can't really afford to twiddle your fingers and like hope to chill right?

He began the game with a push not on an SR but on 4 TRs in the first couple of pages because there's nothing to refute when you push on POE and its got side effect of helping you pocket some townies along the way who can help you push.

Like if he wanted to actually sort my alignment, he'd have something he'd SR me that he'd want to talk about right?

like hey Pooky you posted ____ which is scummy, or Pooky I don't see why town you posts that.

Nah instead it's just I TR these 4 so you are scum by extension.

That's not something I can have a conversation with him about.

Even if he were to make some shit up about Pooky is scum because of ____, then at least we'd have something to talk about and that might help him sort my alignment.

Instead he's not

interested

in sorting my alignment - the goal of the push is to get a mis-elim.

and I'm sure after I flip town tommorrow he will have "re-evaluated his townreads" and decided ____ is actually the villain.

This is not the first time you've said this last line

You're saying if you die and no face realizes he was wrong he will reevaluate, this is super obvious but you're saying it like it's a bad thing

[Infinity 324]

In fact I'm coming from pretty much the exact same spot as no face because I SR you mostly by PoE and jingle has a 50% to be scum from my PoV, which is more than from hectic's PoV unless he's absurdly confident

Actually, pooky, why am I not scummy for literally the exact same reasons as no face

[Menalque]

I’m saying if you can’t articulate why you think they’re scum then just be honest that they give you heebies but you can’t put your finger on why

But like that’s better than just saying “oh bc PoE”

[Infinity 324]

I’m saying if you can’t articulate why you think they’re scum then just be honest that they give you heebies but you can’t put your finger on why

But like that’s better than just saying “oh bc PoE”

Well sometimes they don't actually give me scumvibes and it's literally just PoE, in those cases I'll try to do a better job of laying out all my townreads more clearly.

[skitter30]

I mean I guess u seem surprisingly chill about accepting that instead of pushing harder for infinity

Largely the fact that he was pinging me yesterday for being just ~around~ imo, and v v bland in his takes (reminded me of UGC)

Plus him then making a super opportunistic vote on pooky which, again, lines up with what he did not once but at least twice in UGC, I wanna say like 3 times on the one day he was alive

i'm gonna be honest i'm kinda exhausted irl and don't really have energy for this tonight
i think i'm actually going to bounce because i keep reading but i'm having trouble following what everyone are saying and i don't think i can bicker with people rn

i'll come back hopefully tomorrow refreshed a bit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This is not the first time you've said this last line

You're saying if you die and no face realizes he was wrong he will reevaluate, this is super obvious but you're saying it like it's a bad thing

when I put "re-evaluate" in quotes, I'm being sarcastic.

What mean is scum no face will look for his next target and it's probably going to be you.

[Vanderscamp]

are you serious

did you not just play that mini with us where I hard defended the shit out of norwee-town?[/q]
I think pooky is even more mafia now

I think it is EXTREMELY scummy to say "well who could this player possibly have pushed on other than me?" and then try to use the above as a reason why no face wouldn't be inclined to push Norwegian, to nitpick at an answer to a question that is very obviously wrong.
Like, it should be extremely clear to everyone that pooky is not literally the only player in the pool of six that no face could have pushed on.

I'm saying he's literally seen me read norwee town correctly and defend norwee from a scum push so I'm pretty sure he would know he couldn't get away with pushing norwee-town in this game state...

Sure, but even if this is true, my problem with you saying it is that you are just nitpicking at an irrelevant question.

[Menalque]

Skitter I hope u feel better tomorrow <3

[Vanderscamp]

This is not the first time you've said this last line

You're saying if you die and no face realizes he was wrong he will reevaluate, this is super obvious but you're saying it like it's a bad thing

when I put "re-evaluate" in quotes, I'm being sarcastic.

What mean is scum no face will look for his next target and it's probably going to be you.

It very well could be!

But it's also not really relevant because no face of either alignment is wrong if you're town, and is going to evaluate either way.
You're explaining what no face is doing, and the progression, but I'm missing the parts that make you believe that he is actually scum from it.
I don't really buy the thing about no face not being allowed to go after you since bingle voted you as what I can gather is the only reason no face is scum for this.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

In fact I'm coming from pretty much the exact same spot as no face because I SR you mostly by PoE and jingle has a 50% to be scum from my PoV, which is more than from hectic's PoV unless he's absurdly confident

Actually, pooky, why am I not scummy for literally the exact same reasons as no face

You're not pushing to kill me and you are actually considering other options

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You're explaining what no face is doing, and the progression, but I'm missing the parts that make you believe that he is actually scum from it.
I don't really buy the thing about no face not being allowed to go after you since bingle voted you as what I can gather is the only reason no face is scum for this.

I'm not saying he's not allowed to go for me

I am saying he's not interested in evaluating my alignment.

Push to kill and push to sort look completely different.

[Infinity 324]

In fact I'm coming from pretty much the exact same spot as no face because I SR you mostly by PoE and jingle has a 50% to be scum from my PoV, which is more than from hectic's PoV unless he's absurdly confident

Actually, pooky, why am I not scummy for literally the exact same reasons as no face

You're not pushing to kill me and you are actually considering other options

No face was not pushing to kill you when you started SRing him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm gonna be honest i'm kinda exhausted irl and don't really have energy for this tonight

sorry for spamming up the game <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

No face was not pushing to kill you when you started SRing him

ok what do you think he was pushing me for then?

[Infinity 324]

No face was not pushing to kill you when you started SRing him

ok what do you think he was pushing me for then?

All I remember is him stating that he thought you were likely scum by PoE. That is what I did when I voted no face and then you.

[Ydrasse]

i dont understand how this became a 1v1

[No Face]

I simply don't have the energy for this 1v1 Pooky is forcing but I do think him forcing it is very scum-indicative. I would rather just be eliminated today than have to fight him for pages upon pages if that's what it takes though, it just isn't enjoyable for me at all to do that

Menalque and skitter both scumread as usual :)

(I smile but I am actually reasonably frustrated)

[No Face]

*scumread me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

No face was not pushing to kill you when you started SRing him

ok what do you think he was pushing me for then?

All I remember is him stating that he thought you were likely scum by PoE. That is what I did when I voted no face and then you.

Right but your vote moves around based on who you think is most scummy in the moment - you've like voted 5 or 6 people by now and I can follow the thought process behind your votes;

No Face started out with his vote on bingle then moved to me after it was clear we r elimming in the 6pool.

He hasn't re-evaluated since.

[Ydrasse]

omgggg pooky have you considered the fact that you maybe the stuff your posting isn't changing his mind like i feel like you're conflating "re-evaluating" as "must townread me" or something

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I simply don't have the energy for this 1v1 Pooky is forcing but I do think him forcing it is very scum-indicative. I would rather just be eliminated today than have to fight him for pages upon pages if that's what it takes though, it just isn't enjoyable for me at all to do that

Menalque and skitter both scumread as usual

(I smile but I am actually reasonably frustrated)

hectic r u town?

[Infinity 324]

No face was not pushing to kill you when you started SRing him

ok what do you think he was pushing me for then?

All I remember is him stating that he thought you were likely scum by PoE. That is what I did when I voted no face and then you.

I wouldn't think this is scum-indicative necessarily but it might be when I was getting on everyone's case about not TRing me. It's easier to just call me town there (esp when pooky has recent experience with scum!me that was very different from here)

PEdit: consistent reads across like 2 RL days isn't really scummy, PoE reads are also less likely to change than others