Micro 1003: Divide and Conquer - Game Over!

[No Face]

When have I ever pushed you when you were scum? I.i

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

never

I just pocket you before you get going

you only push me when you're town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

meant you only push me when I'm town

I usually pocket you when I'm scum like immediately?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

have you ever played scum vs town me? I dont know all your alts :3

i remember every time I'm scum and you're town you usually don't push me and I end up pocketing you.

when we're town together usually you townread me except when you don't and then we end up doing some shitty fight

[No Face]

Menalque
Ydrasse
Vanders
Norwee
Pooky

are my reads right now for the group of 6 actually. That Vanders wall looks solid

What do you think of Norwee, Pooky? *.*

[No Face]

have you ever played scum vs town me? I dont know all your alts :3

i remember every time I'm scum and you're town you usually don't push me and I end up pocketing you.

when we're town together usually you townread me except when you don't and then we end up doing some shitty fight

Uh.... Trust Fall was the only game I rolled scum while you were playing and that was with you lol

How do you think you would react to my vote here if you were scum then?.?

[No Face]

Does Norwee really put himself in the group of 6 to suffer like that though? I feel like that's a very good reason to townread both Norwee and Ydrasse /-/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'd pour you some tea and tell you a story about a Plumber and his favorite teddy bear and at the end of it you would be convinced I could do no harm.

[No Face]

I think:

Pooky/skitter
Vander/Bingle

are my predictions

I did it guys, I did the preflip analysis

[No Face]

I'd pour you some tea and tell you a story about a Plumber and his favorite teddy bear and at the end of it you would be convinced I could do no harm.

Who do you think it is in the 6-group if this is a TvT? v:

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm pretty sure Norwee is town - his opinions this game have been pretty unrestrained and his engagement is pretty much around his town level.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'd pour you some tea and tell you a story about a Plumber and his favorite teddy bear and at the end of it you would be convinced I could do no harm.

Who do you think it is in the 6-group if this is a TvT? v:

I think its between Ydra and Vand if this is TvT, lean towards Vander - they're both very vehemently on your side, which is kinda how I think scum would play if they had a TvT fight in the thread to hide in.

Don't think Mena would WK me here cuz he's in the elim pool and it's just way easier for him to just lol-hammer me,

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I kinda doubt this is TvT though cuz I think town!you would've reconsidered when the game state rushed towards an early elimination instead of continuing to push.

[No Face]

I don't think you were ever going to be early launched and I've seen my fair share of scum being run up quickly and then town thinking "no way, that was too easy for this to be scum" to put any stock into that.

Remember redtea/Sujimichi's wagon in Undertale and how close we were to just winning there? But people got cold feet because it was too quick or whatever 7_7

[No Face]

Sometimes town are just right, or scum bus and hope town thinks the wagon was too easy a.z

[Vanderscamp]

I'd pour you some tea and tell you a story about a Plumber and his favorite teddy bear and at the end of it you would be convinced I could do no harm.

Who do you think it is in the 6-group if this is a TvT? v:

I think its between Ydra and Vand if this is TvT, lean towards Vander - they're both very vehemently on your side, which is kinda how I think scum would play if they had a TvT fight in the thread to hide in.

Don't think Mena would WK me here cuz he's in the elim pool and it's just way easier for him to just lol-hammer me,

pretty sure van is just a wrong townie who is really sure he is right

What changed?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would expect scum in that pool to try harder to appear town

I'm not sure I agree, I think trying to just be friendly with people is an approach scum!pooky could take. Tbh no face has been townier so I'm ok with voting pooky once we get a VC.

I have somewhat of a soul read on norwee and I don't think he ever flips scum here

From my limited experience with scum!Pooky he doesn’t tryhard as mafia. I don’t think it’s a good reason to townread Pooky from Vanders here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think we just disagree about whether I was going to be early launched and I have the added benefit of knowing I'm town so the danger feels a lot more real to me

[NorwegianboyEE]

im obvtown btw

Great, why?

read me iso

No, I want your take.

My take is that you're not at all obvtown.

And it’s not a very good take imo.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What changed?

your line about it being better to elim in the 6 pool made me remember your argument with me about the three pool in the beginning of the game and I think it's convenient that you changed your mind about what the best mech play is now that you have a target close to elim.

[No Face]

Don't think Mena would WK me here cuz he's in the elim pool and it's just way easier for him to just lol-hammer me,

I don't get this btw

Hasn't everyone townread Menalque? It's not a big concern for him, and lolhammering you would make him lose a lot of cred if he's scum and needs to survive long l.l

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Don't think Mena would WK me here cuz he's in the elim pool and it's just way easier for him to just lol-hammer me,

I don't get this btw

Hasn't everyone townread Menalque? It's not a big concern for him, and lolhammering you would make him lose a lot of cred if he's scum and needs to survive long l.l

Mena is a very high energy player.

It is exhausting to keep up that level of town energy if he is scum, it's much better for him that the days are shorter and he swims forward rather than drawing things out.

Also kinda doubt he gets any blowback from a lol-hammer since you're the one being the primary pusher.

[No Face]

I think its between Ydra and Vand if this is TvT, lean towards Vander - they're both very vehemently on your side, which is kinda how I think scum would play if they had a TvT fight in the thread to hide in.

I do agree with this and the way Vanders has agreed with me has given me Farkran-pocketing-Day-vibes all over again but I'm unsure st this moment if that's paranoia or reasonable

I'm pretty sure Ydrasse is town for other reasons

+^+

[Vanderscamp]

What changed?

your line about it being better to elim in the 6 pool made me remember your argument with me about the three pool in the beginning of the game and I think it's convenient that you changed your mind about what the best mech play is now that you have a target close to elim.

I really, REALLY don't believe you think this, especially since in my 2000 word explanation to you about it I've never once said that it's better to kill into the big pool.

[Vanderscamp]

You're talking in a way that's like "if the day ended now", when I don't think that's a useful mindset to have, a lot is going to happen on this day 1. You don't have to believe me

But I think it's very conceivable that we never get confirmed towns or scum NKs in the smaller group before losing the game, why do you expect this to happen if we initially kill into the large pool?

If we correctly elim in the small pool (1/3), we're looking at scum needing to miseliminate 3 times in the big pool to win. This is 5/6*4/5*2/3 for optimal play, or about 44%. Yes, scum wins a little bit less than half the time if we correctly eliminate in the small pool. 6:1 with a single IC is not a very strong position for town.

In any other case, scum should be shooting into the bigger pool tonight. As Pooky pointed out, the interactions are more telling when the big pool scum player is on the line than when the little pool scum player is on the line. Therefore, hitting the big pool scum player inevitably gives more information than hitting the small pool scum player.

I agree hitting the big pool scum player is much better, I don't think anyone is arguing that.
But it's also half as likely.

I personally think ensuring that we can kill one scum before we lose the game is more valuable than the other strategies, which is not the case if we aim into the big pool first.

But I mostly agree with whoever said earlier that we should probably just aim to kill the most suspicious player.

I REALLY don't like the idea of leaving the big pool lynch up to the small pool, I'll fight hard against that one.