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Post Post #1175 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:26 am

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In post 1171, Bingle wrote:
In post 1169, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I will be voting Vanderscamp because if he's scum with you or anyone else it's an insta-win.
Do you agree or disagree that he's probably not scum with anyone else?
At the moment i find it unlikely but still plausible that Vanderscamp, if scum, is with Infinity. But i could see Skitter and you, easily.
My scumread on Vanderscamp is finding him individually scummy though.
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Post Post #1176 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:30 am

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I feel like Vandercamp's been avoiding talking about my read on him, and it's concerning me. I wanted to vibe with him as usual, but it's like he's just not there. In body yes, but his spirit is gone.
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Post Post #1177 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:31 am

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I'm gonna meta vander today I guess

He feels much townier than when I vigged him
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Post Post #1178 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:34 am

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In post 1174, No Face wrote:You keep saying you wouldn't react like this as scum, then how would you actually? You gave a non-serious answer earlier, but I'd be interested in hearing how you think you'd actually react 1{£
I'd probably just ignore your wagon and hope it dissipates on its own because it's not even two days into the game and the first major wagon of any game usually just dies.
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Post Post #1179 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:36 am

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Like you repeatedly say that my reaction is why you want to kill me.

But when I ask you how my reaction makes sense from a scum!me perspective;

like what am i trying to get out of this?

why would scum!me force an early 1v1 with town!you?

You complain that I'm bad faith putting the burden on you to perfectly map out my scum reaction.

Do you see how these two contentions don't actually mesh?
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Post Post #1180 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:39 am

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In post 1177, Infinity 324 wrote:He feels much townier than when I vigged him
You vigged him in that game?
Well that makes Infinity/Vanderscamp even more unlikely than it already was.
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Post Post #1181 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:39 am

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Pooky we both know you sometimes to do things as scum that can't be explained by anything other than you doing it because you want people to think you'd never do it as scum. You pushing for yourself to be left behind in Trust Fall comes to mind

In reality, I don't really know why you would here but I also don't understand why town!you would react the way you did here ~.~
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Post Post #1182 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:40 am

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no me pushing for me to be left behind in trust fall made perfect sense.

I wanted to get the people who were scum reading me out of the game so I could more easily manipulate the game state.
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Post Post #1183 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:40 am

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In post 1180, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1177, Infinity 324 wrote:He feels much townier than when I vigged him
You vigged him in that game?
Well that makes Infinity/Vanderscamp even more unlikely than it already was.
Why does that make them less likely?.?
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Post Post #1184 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:41 am

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This is a true 1v1 between No Face / Pooky
They are completely deaf to any other sounds.
Kinda makes it feel even more townie tbh. I'd expect scum!them to try to win over everyone else's side in pushing through the other as an elimination rather than just have pure arguing.
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Post Post #1185 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:41 am

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In post 1182, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:no me pushing for me to be left behind in trust fall made perfect sense.

I wanted to get the people who were scum reading me out of the game so I could more easily manipulate the game state.
What about you being okay with not dancing with anyone in Epilogue?-?
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Post Post #1186 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:42 am

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In post 1183, No Face wrote:
In post 1180, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 1177, Infinity 324 wrote:He feels much townier than when I vigged him
You vigged him in that game?
Well that makes Infinity/Vanderscamp even more unlikely than it already was.
Why does that make them less likely?.?
Bingle's point about Vanderscamp needing to be considered a very good endgame player if they were to be put in the 6P. And if Infinity already has the bias that "Vanderscamp isn't good at scum" they'd probably want to be in the 6p pool.
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Post Post #1187 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:43 am

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In post 1181, No Face wrote:In reality, I don't really know why you would here but I also don't understand why town!you would react the way you did here ~.~
ok so if you don't understand why my reaction would come from scum!me why would you say you want to kill me for my reaction?
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Post Post #1188 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:43 am

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In post 1186, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Bingle's point about Vanderscamp needing to be considered a very good endgame player if they were to be put in the 6P. And if Infinity already has the bias that "Vanderscamp isn't good at scum" they'd probably want to be in the 6p pool.
I feel like you should also consider the fact that I'm much weaker at scum than jingle or skitt. Mostly because that means skitt/vander is unlikely.
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Post Post #1189 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:45 am

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I'm not saying that Pooky, I'm saying I don't know the exact scum motivation behind your reaction but you having the thoughts which led you to that reaction feels less likely to be real and coming from town!you !;
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Post Post #1190 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:46 am

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Like map out what happens if scum!me forces a 1v1 on d1/d2 while at a disadvantage.

probly 60%-80% of the time you elim me, game is over

40%-20% of the time, I elim you, I get elimmed on the next day, town has 2 chances to elim my partner in 3 players, there's probably enough info from D1 to narrow down who the partner is or at least rule out one partner.

Either way I lose.

So why would I even expend the energy to pursue almost certain loss?

This makes 0 sense for scum!me to do to town!you yet you continue to insist that's what's happening here nad that's what's like mindboggling to me. That you think this is a path that scum!me decides to go down.
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Post Post #1191 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:47 am

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Anyway, looking forward to Vanderscamp coming back on so i can see his responses. Looking less forward to Mena coming back on to rant about how i'm obvscum.
Most likely taking a break now.
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Post Post #1192 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:48 am

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In post 1189, No Face wrote:I'm not saying that Pooky, I'm saying I don't know the exact scum motivation behind your reaction but you having the thoughts which led you to that reaction feels less likely to be real and coming from town!you !;

Which thoughts feel fake to you that couldn't come from town!me?
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Post Post #1193 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:51 am

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In post 1190, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Like map out what happens if scum!me forces a 1v1 on d1/d2 while at a disadvantage.

probly 60%-80% of the time you elim me, game is over

40%-20% of the time, I elim you, I get elimmed on the next day, town has 2 chances to elim my partner in 3 players, there's probably enough info from D1 to narrow down who the partner is or at least rule out one partner.

Either way I lose.

So why would I even expend the energy to pursue almost certain loss?

This makes 0 sense for scum!me to do to town!you yet you continue to insist that's what's happening here nad that's what's like mindboggling to me. That you think this is a path that scum!me decides to go down.
The 1v1 was started on this post or before:
In post 647, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:the essence of his push on me isn't "I scumread Pooky"

it's I town-read everyone else for ___, ____, ____, and _____

It leaves one person out of the equation, notably that's himself.

It's an effective strategy for pushing mis-elims on d1 because you create a coalition/support by handing out townreads to get people to help you, and you create a mutual target for everyone to go after.

It's also incredibly difficult for me to defend against because he's not actually scum-reading me for anything, so there's nothing for me to refute

then tomm after I'm flipped town he will "go back" to his townreads and "think" about where he went wrong.

Here's the VC:
In post 650, SirCakez wrote:
Votecount 1.3

PookyTheMagicalBear (3) - No Face, Ydrasse, Bingle
No Face (2) - PookyTheMagicalBear, Infinity 324
Vanderscamp (2) - Menalque, NorwegianboyEE
Infinity 324 (1) - skitter30

Not voting (1) - Vanderscamp

(expired on 2021-04-20 14:23:00) remain until day end

skitter30 is perpetually V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.
I don't think you're at a big disadvantage by any means. Vanders and Norwee both haven't sided with either of us yet, and you probably think Mene will side with you

I don't think it's as handicapped a position for you at that time as you're making it out to be 2'2
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Post Post #1194 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:52 am

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In post 1192, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1189, No Face wrote:I'm not saying that Pooky, I'm saying I don't know the exact scum motivation behind your reaction but you having the thoughts which led you to that reaction feels less likely to be real and coming from town!you !;

Which thoughts feel fake to you that couldn't come from town!me?
Thinking I've decided you're the miselim for the day when all I did was PoE vote you, and thinking I should reevaluate one irl day into the game just because Bingle is also voting you and he's my bottom read in the group of 3

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Post Post #1195 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:53 am

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In post 1184, NorwegianboyEE wrote:This is a true 1v1 between No Face / Pooky
They are completely deaf to any other sounds.
Kinda makes it feel even more townie tbh. I'd expect scum!them to try to win over everyone else's side in pushing through the other as an elimination rather than just have pure arguing.
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Post Post #1196 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:56 am

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In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results
Ydrasse voted you for the same exact reason of PoE and acknowledged that, but you still think I'm scummy for it even though you can see another player in our pool has done the same thing, and we can't both be scum together (one of us is town at least)

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Post Post #1197 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:57 am

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In post 971, No Face wrote:
In post 969, Vanderscamp wrote:I think it might be pooky and bingle.
I really don't like Bingle for agreeing with Pooky's reasoning that I'm scummy for not reevaluating that one of my scumreads happens to be voting the other. I've been pushed for this as town before and I've never understood it, I just treat my reads independently, and no, Bingle voting for Pooky while I'm sus of both is not going to magically make me less suspicious of Pooky. Yes, it means they are less likely to be aligned if Bingle commits to that vote/push but before that, distancing is a thing, and even if I think Bingle/Pooky aren't aligned, what do I do? I townread 4 others in that and Pooky is nullscum, I don't just randomly go and scumread one of my townreads. I just really don't understand that scumread/reason at all but maybe Pooky and I just think differently

What I really don't like is Bingle agreeing with that assessment though (_(
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Post Post #1198 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:00 am

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In post 1194, No Face wrote:Thinking I've decided you're the miselim for the day when all I did was PoE vote you, and thinking I should reevaluate one irl day into the game just because Bingle is also voting you and he's my bottom read in the group of 3

gs.d

when you PoE vote someone,

you are not trying to sort their alignment

you are trying to kill them.

Do you not understand this?

If you voted me with a I think Pooky is scum because ___ & ___ or whatever, maybe we could have a conversation and you could sort my alignment

but you're not doing that...

The only time you posted where you actually presented suspicions, I actually responded in detail and you just hand-waved it with a joke.

That is very clear to me you are
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Post Post #1199 (ISO) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:02 am

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In post 1196, No Face wrote:
In post 653, Ydrasse wrote:pooky, i basically feel the same way about you, am i scum for voting you? i don't feel like you've done anything this game that's towny, you gave us a ~plan~ but it doesn't feel like you've much done anything to facilitate that plan giving us good results
Ydrasse voted you for the same exact reason of PoE and acknowledged that, but you still think I'm scummy for it even though you can see another player in our pool has done the same thing, and we can't both be scum together (one of us is town at least)

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Ydrasse tends to be a lot less decisive as scum, I've played a few games with scum!her
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