Micro 1003: Divide and Conquer - Game Over!

[No Face]

Thinking I've decided you're the miselim for the day when all I did was PoE vote you, and thinking I should reevaluate one irl day into the game just because Bingle is also voting you and he's my bottom read in the group of 3

gs.d

when you PoE vote someone,

you are not trying to sort their alignment

you are trying to kill them.

Do you not understand this?

If you voted me with a I think Pooky is scum because ___ & ___ or whatever, maybe we could have a conversation and you could sort my alignment

but you're not doing that...

The only time you posted where you actually presented suspicions, I actually responded in detail and you just hand-waved it with a joke.

That is very clear to me you are

not

interested in my actual alignment and you are more interested in killing me.

Or I vote where my suspicions lie and I'm not tied to my vote for the rest of the game and my reads can change, especially when it's been 1 irl day? Votes and wagons generate information, what else am I supposed to do if I townread these 4 and think this 1 is nullscum? Not vote them? I don't get it Pooky ahbwidcoewkwnwbxkso

I was satisfied with your coalition reasons and though they were fair which is why I just said okay btw. I'm not satisfied with your pushback at all though

No Face is flying away for now into a different realm _^_

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So you think it's not possible for town me to think you are scum doing a bad faith push for mis-elim when I see no sorting intent from you whatsoever? like really?

that it's way more likely that you're in the world where scum me decided to react to your harmless POE vote by throwing down a 1v1 gauntlet that probly leads to scum me losing?

like is this serious dude?

[Infinity 324]

that it's way more likely that you're in the world where scum me decided to react to your harmless POE vote by throwing down a 1v1 gauntlet that probly leads to scum me losing?

I think you've demonstrated that you didn't get the purpose of hectic's vote regardless of your alignment

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

or I'm the only one here who understands the purpose of his vote and you guys are kind of snowed by him.

~.~

[Infinity 324]

Pooky I literally voted you for the same reason hd did, so did ydrasse so did norwee

[Infinity 324]

Or norwee at least said he had a similar perspective

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes but you've at least considered other people and voted in multiple other places and I can see what you're thinking through.

His progression on me is vote and then nothing.

[Infinity 324]

You keep saying that but it doesn't make it scummy

Even if hectic was tunneling (which I wouldn't really call this) that's not scummy behavior

[Menalque]

Pooky i think you’re wrong and should take a step back because i really don’t think what no face is saying about why he first voted you is unreasonable or scummy really

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok I'm gonna take a break from the thread and just play chill tunes in the hood

VOTE: noone

[Menalque]

yo infinity what’s your read on hectic again?

[Infinity 324]

He's towny but if pooky flips town I'll reevaluate. I kinda explained ot here

Mena this feels like a towny post to me, I guess you came around to no face but still. My baseline for town!hectic isn't bleeding obvtown, he's had some solid content and I want to trust ydrasse.

[Vanderscamp]

Pooky’s making it out like it’s an very aggressive push from No Face, when it’s not. And that seems a bit disingenious from Pooky.

Norwee how dead do I have to be before it's considered aggressive?

No matter how I wrap my head around it, I can't take this line as good faith from Pooky

Everyone has an early suspicion and vote, yes scum need mislaunches, but town also vote whoever they most suspect at any given time. He's somehow managed to characterize my PoE vote with nor reasons attached and not soemthing I tried to push at all as "aggressive, intent to kill, driving a miselim"

I never started properly reading and pushing him as scum

until

he was scumreading me for those absurd reasons

and then there's the Bingle thing which I really don't want to talk about again...

#.#

I think there's no question that line is not in good faith, the question is whether pooky is town and is just saying this stuff defensively or not.
But him getting killed or not obviously doesn't change how strong your initial push was.

[Infinity 324]

Pooky who's scum if hectic is town

[Vanderscamp]

are you serious

did you not just play that mini with us where I hard defended the shit out of norwee-town?[/q]
I think pooky is even more mafia now

I think it is EXTREMELY scummy to say "well who could this player possibly have pushed on other than me?" and then try to use the above as a reason why no face wouldn't be inclined to push Norwegian, to nitpick at an answer to a question that is very obviously wrong.
Like, it should be extremely clear to everyone that pooky is not literally the only player in the pool of six that no face could have pushed on.

What? Sorry, i don't understand why this makes you think Pooky is even more mafia? Although my focus is ebbing. It's been a long day for me.

My reason was that Pooky's original statement was something along the lines of pooky being the only person no face could reasonably have pushed.
I think that statement is pretty clearly not true, and what I really didn't like was when someone gave an answer of other people no face could have pushed, pooky committed to it harder by trying to argue against the answer.

[Vanderscamp]

I'm functionally the exact opposite. I'd rather have a suboptimal elimination and enough content to analyze later on, and I think your stance is an inherently silly one.

Also, I'm fully confident in my ability to force through a Pooky elim if I decide that's what I really want.

The vast majority of games I've played online have days much shorter than they tend to on this site, so we probably have different ideas of what it means to have enough content.

Obviously I'd prefer more content to less content, and I'm a pretty big believer in generally playing conservatively and not majjing people before they have a chance to claim etc, but I also think there is very clear value to having a full day of tallies that actually could mean something, including the chance of an occasional shorter day, than having a meta where everyone knows that votes that get made before like one irl day before deadline are all completely meaningless because no one is willing to maj anyone. That's my version of risking suboptimal eliminations to maximise content, and I am not even a big believer in voting analysis.

But especially in this set, like, I just want the best lynch.
If we kill the scum in the big pool, we autowin the game regardless of how much content we have.
Given the opportunity, I would happily hammer pooky right now.

This just feels like filler.

It's not filler, I'm responding to being asked about it.

[Vanderscamp]

Ydrasse, Mena, Pooky, No Face have all felt town.
Vandercamp's felt fake. He was so obviously town to me in the previous game we had, here his posts seem artificial and constructed.

I think if Norwegian is scum pushing a mislynch on me, he would definitely say that I'm acting different to last game where I was town with him, but I think he'd be less likely to strengthen his own read on me by saying that he thought I was obviously town in that game because it just looks worse for him when I flip.

[Vanderscamp]

like the way I think about votes in the early game, you're going for two things

1) Reactions
2) Kills

If you vote and start talking to them, you're looking for a certain reaction to help you solve their slot

If you vote and you don't talk to them and just twiddle your thumbs while they get closer to elim - you're voting to kill them.

I find scum tend to vote early, then never read-progress as the wagon builds, then when it goes thru early and a kill happens, they don't have accountability issues on the next day.

For example I was elimmed d1 recently in a newbie game, the scum was the first person who voted me and he never came back to talk to me, I got quick-elimmed and he ended up winning fairly quickly.

I would argue that no case has been talking to you, do you disagree?
And the progression has not been the one you thought it would be, but no case is now more convinced you're mafia than before you started talking.

So why is this not towny?

[skitter30]

Counterpoint why would norwee put himself in the 3p

who do u think is his partner is in my pt?

i think that bingle and nor can't be paired because bingle is p aggressively pushing flipping in the 6p and he's all but created a situation where he'd need to put attention on his partner

infinity/nor does make sense in a world where scum infinity thinks stronger scum needs to be in the 3p cuz we'd be flipping in there first - if infinity is scum i think it would have to be with like exactly nor or vander (cept i townread vander and i kinda am townreading infinity now as well. don't think this universe is too likely either

[skitter30]

Benefit? My vote is Vanderscamp.

no

[skitter30]

Pooky - tbqh if he's controlling which pt people are sorted into he puts me in the same one as him like always to chill and shitpost with me, irregardless of how he thinks i might view that and/or whether or not i might decide to push him for it. We're not in the same pt so town

Try again, but this time make the argument not presumptive on you being town.

i mean this is the universe i'm playing from + i don'tt hink you're aligned with him

[skitter30]

i'm also kinda getting an agenda-driven vibe from him tbh.

:thorface:

go on

[skitter30]

Going thru the votes/players on it:
Nor - dont remember his vote or like anything he's said

I wasn't on it.

oh maybe that's why i don't remember your vote then :lol:
who was the other vote

ydrasse jingle no face infinty (e1) vander (e1)

or was infinity only e2 and i'm misremembering it as two e1 votes
i feel like someone unvoted in between

[skitter30]

Ydrasse, Mena, Pooky, No Face have all felt town.
Vandercamp's felt fake. He was so obviously town to me in the previous game we had, here his posts seem artificial and constructed.

And which one of me/skitter/Infinity puts him in the pool where he literally has to survive?

It doesn't really matter if he flips scum. We win anyway.
But i'm feeling Infinity town as of right now, so either one of you or Skitter in most likelihood.

i mean to scum it presumably matters if scum-him flips so what exactly was the plan and who planned it

he's literally prototypical flipbait idk why everyone is jumping on it

[Infinity 324]

I know my vote was E-1