Open 808: The Council Has Spoken

[mozamis]

cool, can someone hammer Nono

[Nono]

meant: your vote on bone today, I’ll take responsibility if wrong,, will self-vote tomorrow, quote me on it

no reason to not go for perfect win, as is possible, today,, seeing t-bone lie so blatantly hurts, is all xD

[Battle Mage]

3. In contrast to 2, your proposed night actions do come with a scum motive, as I laid out in post 848, and more generally the idea of not using the tracker to try and catch scum killing beggars belief.

Aren't his idea was to use Track on T-Bone and No-Protect?

correct, this is "not using the tracker to try and catch scum" i.e. not using the tracker in a way where it can potentially result in a guilty-investigation.

Correct, tracking me would not result in a guilty-investigation, but it might have confirmed me as town. Glad you agree.

You may start to see why this was a problem for BM.

the problem with this is, according to your theory of me being scum, I had to have no-killed last night irrespective of the tracking (or...targetted myself). So why would BM-scum have cared if you were tracked? In fact, if I was scum, that would have been a better outcome for me because it wouldn't give another player any towncred (as Yessirree got today). Although, as previously noted, even as scum it's unlikely I'd pitch for something so conspicuously anti-town.

Are the majority really not seeing T-Bone indiscriminately throw a whole lotta stuff at the wall, with none of it sticking? And note that, despite me continually refuting every point T-Bone has pinged my way, he never gives any hint of re-evaluating his assertions or opinions, or heck, even trying to refute my rebuttal. Where's the townie behaviour here?

[Battle Mage]

Let's think about T-Bone motivation for a bit.


If T-Bone is Mafia:
So he suddenly realise, he is alone now. And his suggestion is "No Kill and Track me". So he forcing self for no-kill state. For what? If he is tracked and no one died, it doesh't confirm him at all. Could be it just bluff?

I covered this earlier. It's a narrative which plays completely into his rhetoric of "I would never No-Kill". Could that be a coincidence? Yes. But it also fits the bill as a strategy for T-Bone scum to come out all guns blazing and buy some towncred. And as noted, there's no downside as he was always no-killing anyway.

If T-Bone is Town:
Probably he acknowlidge, he in bad position from last day and can be mislynched. So his suggestion was to track him. If kill happened, it autoclears him. Would townie do that? Yeah, especially if T-Bone assumed if mafia skipped, they are idiots. So he probably sured mafia will kill someone, clear him and save us from some headache.

The problem with this is two-fold:

1. T-Bone being mis-elimmed as town isn't that big a deal for T-Bone-town. T-Bone-town is mis-elimmed, town still almost certainly wins. But T-Bone-scum is elimmed, scum definitely loses. T-Bone might have an ego, but he's also seen his fair share of mafia games and so I'd expect him to be more understanding of being elimmed here as town, and more forthcoming with actual reads which will add value to the town on subsequent days.

2. T-Bone was part of a pool of players who could have been elimmed today (the off-wagoners). Why would it be especially important to clear T-Bone, as opposed to Yessirree or Mozamis? or heck, even Nono? The self-interest here is telling - T-Bone is focussed on T-Bone and not thinking of the collective group or the collective wincon. Which is scum-indicative.

[Battle Mage]

If T-Bone is Mafia:
So he suddenly realise, he is alone now. And his suggestion is "No Kill and Track me". So he forcing self for no-kill state. For what? If he is tracked and no one died, it doesh't confirm him at all. Could be it just bluff?

This would give T-Bone some towncred even if it doesn't clear him

but would T-Bone-town be more pre-occupied with getting towncred for himself than trying to find scum? I doubt it.

[Battle Mage]

i'm not gonna read pages of town v town ego clashes.
Bm and Tbone are so effing town.
Could you guys agree to disagree and move on, vote Nono, and win the game?

Unfortunately you'll have to carry that mantle.

Either you or Enchant should hammer me. We'll lay out BM for all to see.

I think T-Bone has given up. Not even an attempt to engage with me after I cordially invited him to set out a case on me, beyond shouting "BM is scum" into the abyss.

Can we please elim this already?

[Battle Mage]

So have we lynched Nono yet? Or are we running round in cirlces, chasing our tails, and inadvertantly... quoting Coldplay.Shit lol Tho that was one of their best tunes
Joking aside, that is a danger. I feel we have clear scum in our sites, can't we elim?
#Vote Nono

am not scum, never was

almost 100% sure now, giving myself up for lim, for t-bone today,, time for trust

does anyone actually think Nono-scum pulls this card to buy another day? come on...

[Battle Mage]

meant: your vote on bone today, I’ll take responsibility if wrong,, will self-vote tomorrow, quote me on it

no reason to not go for perfect win, as is possible, today,, seeing t-bone lie so blatantly hurts, is all xD

I literally quoted you on it. But jokes aside, this is both completely true and relatable, and a good illustration of why Nono is probably town, and definitely not the play today.

[Enchant]

Punch.

VOTE: T-Bone.

[Enchant]

It must be done somehow. We see, maybe game even ends.

[T-Bone]

Just remember to get BM please.

[T-Bone]

BM/Nono/Raya guaranteed victory. But it probably ends with BM.

Say it with me class.

T-Bone, we will have no problems eliminating Battle Mage tomorrow.

[T-Bone]

3. In contrast to 2, your proposed night actions do come with a scum motive, as I laid out in post 848, and more generally the idea of not using the tracker to try and catch scum killing beggars belief.

Aren't his idea was to use Track on T-Bone and No-Protect?

correct, this is "not using the tracker to try and catch scum" i.e. not using the tracker in a way where it can potentially result in a guilty-investigation.

Correct, tracking me would not result in a guilty-investigation, but it might have confirmed me as town. Glad you agree.

You may start to see why this was a problem for BM.

the problem with this is, according to your theory of me being scum, I had to have no-killed last night irrespective of the tracking (or...targetted myself). So why would BM-scum have cared if you were tracked? In fact, if I was scum, that would have been a better outcome for me because it wouldn't give another player any towncred (as Yessirree got today). Although, as previously noted, even as scum it's unlikely I'd pitch for something so conspicuously anti-town.

Are the majority really not seeing T-Bone indiscriminately throw a whole lotta stuff at the wall, with none of it sticking? And note that, despite me continually refuting every point T-Bone has pinged my way, he never gives any hint of re-evaluating his assertions or opinions, or heck, even trying to refute my rebuttal. Where's the townie behaviour here?

The person who needed to reevaluate was you. But since you're scum you obviously won't. You lost. Only a matter of time. Make your kill tonight count.

[T-Bone]

Don't let BM blame me for "bad play", tomorrow. It was his solid play that got me miseliminated. Shortsighted, but solid.

I'm confirmed town now bitches, which means everything I've said is right. Study my ISO.

[Artemiana]

Ngl

I think you/BM is tvt. I don't understand why you were hammered over Nono

[mozamis]

Well, thanks for that amazing contribution after it mattered Arte.
Nono or Arte scum?
Tbone is so clearly town.

[Artemiana]

Wifi issues here. Hoped to resolve soon but hopefully I won't be gone for too long

[Artemiana]

Besides the fact that I am still experiencing those issues, and I've flipped on tbone scum a long time ago and have been pushing for that to he town, and my preferred wagon nono as scum, I mean...

[T-Bone]

Better this way, then we don't have to do this song and dance tomorrow.

[Raya36]

So if T-Bone is actually town and nono doesn't really make sense my pool is BM and Yessiree.

[yessiree]

Wifi issues here. Hoped to resolve soon but hopefully I won't be gone for too long

But when the world needed her the most, she vanished

[yessiree]

Besides the fact that I am still experiencing those issues, and I've flipped on tbone scum a long time ago and have been pushing for that to he town, and my preferred wagon nono as scum, I mean...

I'm trying to figure out which goddess you are supposed to be so I can make fun of your bootleg internet but the closest search result I got (Artemia) was Brine Shrimp

[yessiree]

Don't let BM blame me for "bad play", tomorrow. It was his solid play that got me miseliminated. Shortsighted, but solid.

I'm confirmed town now bitches, which means everything I've said is right. Study my ISO.

Ugh, please be scum so we don't have to subject ourselves to reading the dreaded back and forth between you and BM

[T-Bone]

You can just realize I'm right and say it with me....eliminate Battle Mage tomorrow.

[T-Bone]

Get to reading, if I'm eliminated as scum I don't drag it out in twilight. I would have posted GG.