newbie 2060: creatures, game ofer

[Lukewarm]

Whemestar, if you really are town, I'm sorry, but out of you and Ahri I am still most suspicious of you, and I don't think there is time for us to change directions anymore to anyone else.



I have plans IRL, so I won't be back on until after the deadline, so I am going to go ahead and Hammer

VOTE: Whemestar

[WhemeStar]

Well gl finding scum on my wagon

[WhemeStar]

I don't think theres any obv town on my wagon so that sucks.

[WhemeStar]

Actually before thread gets locked ima go out on a limb and say both ahri and i are town

[WhemeStar]

Scum are in luke ivy demainer endless

[WhemeStar]

Looking at voting patterns our wagons don't make sense.

[WhemeStar]

GL guys I think this will be hard for town judging by how slow game is and how people are getting "bored" of the game. That's not a good look for town and lets scum coast to victory. Sorry I couldn't be the town leader we needed.

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

d1 final vote count

WhemeStar (5):

Demainer, Ahri, endlessdark, Ivyeo, Lukewarm

Ahri (3):

Saudade, WhemeStar, Egix96

not voting (1):

Clasko

with 9 alive, it took 5 to eliminate a player.

[schadd_]

WhemeStar has been eliminated. he was a

vanilla townie!

night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-04-08 20:10:00). if you have a night action, private message it to me or post it in a PT when applicable

[schadd_]

Ahri has been killed in the night! she was a

vanilla townie!

[schadd_]

Day 2 Starts!

Spoiler:

vote count 2.0

not voting (7):

Demainer, Clasko, Lukewarm, endlessdark, Ivyeo, Saudade, Egix96

with 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate a player. day 2 starts now and ends april 16th at 3:30 central US time; in (expired on 2021-04-16 03:30:00)

mod notes

• thread unlocked

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[Egix96]

Ahri has been killed in the night! she was a

vanilla townie!

???

[Clasko]

... Hunting for PR, or an attempt to incriminate the people on Ahri's wagon, perhaps?

[Lukewarm]

I am now as confident as you can possibly be on day 1, that either you or Ahri are scum

that post didn't age well at all

But that leaves me really confused as to why they would have targeted Ahri.

[Lukewarm]

... Hunting for PR, or an attempt to incriminate the people on Ahri's wagon, perhaps?

How does that incriminate the people on Ahri's wagon?

[Clasko]

How does that incriminate the people on Ahri's wagon?

If Ahri wasn't the chosen N1K, her wagon from D1 would have probably gone unchallenged - due to her inactivity in-game making her a reasonable choice for an elimination.

But, she was killed, and now there's more reason to look at her wagon.

Also, if mafia are on Wheme's wagon, as Wheme himself said before he died, mafia'll want a temporary diversion. But for the record I think this kill was more to find a power role:

not a pr soft don't read into it

Maybe they read into it.

[Ivyeo]

That's a great kill for town no?

[Demainer]

I don't think it is, scum is obviously trying to avoid going after someone they have substantial interaction with in the thread.

The only notable thing about ahri is that she didn't engage in the thread at all, so the kill doesn't incriminate anyone. I'll need to read back the thread to check though.

And sorry Wheme for the misread, I know I can't bring you back to life but I'll try to avenge the elim.

[Saudade]

VOTE: demainer eeeewwgh

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: demainer eeeewwgh

Seconded

VOTE: demainer

[Clasko]

I'm assuming you both didn't like this line of dialogue?

And sorry Wheme for the misread, I know I can't bring you back to life but I'll try to avenge the elim.

Also @ Dem, Ivy, Luke & endless:
Your posts were mainly about WhemeStar on D1, but do you guys get any town vibes from anyone in this game? If so, for what reason(s)?

I'd like to know where everyone stands before we discuss ideal D2 elim possibilities.

[Egix96]

I'd like to know where everyone stands before we discuss ideal D2 elim possibilities.

I'm gonna re-read from the beginning and see where that leads me.

[Egix96]

Looking back, the thing with Demain is that it feels like he just wanted Wheme to die rather than making an honest effort to evaluate his alignment. Even before 109 which I touched on before.

[Egix96]

Is Wheme simply being voted for making an apparent self-contradiction in his first post? Personally, I'm not finding that to be an issue, on a "scum would be more careful about contradicting themselves" level.

For me, it wasn't that he was contradicting himself. It just felt like he was contributing to an early wagon, while leaving a backdoor way to be able to say on day 2 "come on guys, I

told

you not to keep voting for this guy."

Admittedly its not a ton to go on, but its day 1, and its the strongest read I have so far.

This post gives me strongest town vibes of any within the first four pages - I find it hard to see this sort of line of reasoning coming from new!scum.

Clasko hardly said anything until someone questioned it, then he town-read whemestar (my biggest scum vibes) because

their argument feels cyclical and non-scripted = less chance to be W v. W

And I don't understand the logic. Why would deducing that they are not BOTH scum automatically mean that neither one is?



I am town reading Demainer using Clasko's logic. It does not seem like a scum v scum conversation, and I think that whemestar is the more likely scum of the pair.

However, what I don't get is why you TR someone using logic you don't understand - especially since the stance you took here is... not the best look.

[Lukewarm]

However, what I don't get is why you TR someone using logic you don't understand - especially since the stance you took here is... not the best look.

I don't think I expressed my opinion as well as I could have in that post.

There were two points in Clasko's post:
-The conversation between Wheme and Demainer did not look like a scum v scum conversation
-therefore both of them were town

I read his comment, and I agreed with the first point, it did not seem like a scum v scum conversation (which turns out was true) But I disagreed with / did not understand why we would then jump to saying both were town.

So I took the part I agreed with, and re-evaluated with the lens of "it is not both demainer AND whemestar." After reading back I thought Wheme seemed more suspicious, and moved forward trying to think who Wheme's partner could be.

But now that Wheme flipped town, that logic no longer protects Demainer. So I voted him lol

Tldr; I did not think it could be BOTH Wheme and Demainer, and since I was more suspicious of Wheme that would indicate that it was not Demainer. But the moment Wheme flipped town, that opened Demainer back up for suspicion.