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[Titus]

Just rechecked, Pooky is a PR claim which makes it suboptimal to eliminate him, but he knows that. :/

[Not_Mafia]

VC 3.09

PookyTheMagicalBear (0)-

Titus (1)-

clidd

Flea The Magician (3)-

LlamaFluff, PookyTheMagicalBear, RLotus

(E-2)

geraintm (0)-

VFP (0)-

RLotus (0)-

clidd (3)-

geraintm, Titus, Flea The Magician

(E-2)

LlamaFluff (0)-

Almost50 (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

Almost50, VFP

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to Eliminate.

Deadline is

(expired on 2021-04-11 19:00:00)

- Apr 11th 19:00 GMT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

there doesn't so far seem any interference from scum in any of the roles, everyone has said their actions have gone through i believe. which makes me think that either scum have a role/ability that screws with our PRs, or else they PRs aren't all they appear to be.

scum don't need to screw with the PRs because the PRs aren't very strong to begin with.

the gunsmiths are gated and have 6 "guilty" results and half of them are town
the neapolitian has 7 "guilty" results and 4 of them are town.
the detective is novice, can really only nail one of the scum so he's only useful if he goes long into the game but even then probably won't get a useful result.
the psychologist is a one shot and they only get a hit on 2/12 players?

Like there's really no reason to give the scum any powers to counter any of this, it's fairly balanced as claimed.

[VFP]

the gunsmiths are gated and have 6 "guilty" results and half of them are town
the neapolitian has 7 "guilty" results and 4 of them are town.
the detective is novice, can really only nail one of the scum so he's only useful if he goes long into the game but even then probably won't get a useful result.
the psychologist is a one shot and they only get a hit on 2/12 players?

With the idea that you and A50 are town. What 3 town roles do the Gunsmiths get has a gun result?
I know a Gunsmith would give this result but I didn't think the others would?

And wouldn't the psychologist be 3/12 since its night 1? Although I guess it depends on what order actions work.

If the Gunsmith does see other roles with a Gun then yeah I can see the counter there.
But I highly doubt its just 3 goons regardless.

[Titus]

It feels like clidd is just cornered scum and that's why he's a broken record.

I would expect scum to have PRs with all the claims on the table.
I would also expect the scum to take a no bus position here. If all the PR claims are true, then scum need every role to deal with them and outlast the clears. If the claims are false, then scum likely already took the no bus position and feel rather weak on dayplay.

I think we just win if we nail a scum today.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

With the idea that you and A50 are town. What 3 town roles do the Gunsmiths get has a gun result?
I know a Gunsmith would give this result but I didn't think the others would?

And wouldn't the psychologist be 3/12 since its night 1? Although I guess it depends on what order actions work.

If the Gunsmith does see other roles with a Gun then yeah I can see the counter there.
But I highly doubt its just 3 goons regardless.

I think Detective also has a gun.

Psych can only catch 2 of the scum based on NAR.

It doesn't actually matter what PR the mafia has because we're pretty much at the low end of the town power range imo since none of the 5 TPRs are "strong" per-se.

[clidd]

Good, so Titus confirmed that I'm right on her slot.

[clidd]

It feels like clidd is just cornered scum and that's why he's a broken record.

That's not something that town!you would say, Titus ^

I could expect a scumread or something, but you would have more tact and patience to deal with my slot. It's not easy to read me rn. Your approach is basically a continuation of Amélie's last instance on me.

[clidd]

And considering that you are still reserved and political in your conduct, without showing any original or dissonant take from your predecessor, I don't see you as someone coming from a uninformed perspective that is still assimilating the information, but rather someone who already has the answers and is pretending to be learning about what's going on in the game.

[clidd]

Mod: What does a psychologist do? I thought they turned SKs into town but SKs are prohibited in normals of this size.

"hey, I don't have a pt, so I need to ask a filler question to show that I can only talk with the mod here"

[clidd]

@clidd, Calling something bad without presenting anything of your own is a common, but not universal, scum tactic. VCA is a tool available for everyone but weak this early. How does Faer's vca help you read him but the inverse wouldn't be true?

Extremely political comment. The question is formulated in bad faith, because at no time had I said that Flea's vca was essential for me to read fae.

[clidd]

It feels like Flea is trying to make me vote faer for some reason.

Why do you feel like that?

"instead or asking what is clidd's read on flea, or what flea's read is on clidd, let me ask something that it won't help me sort clidd to create a spark"

[VFP]

I think Detective also has a gun.

Psych can only catch 2 of the scum based on NAR.

It doesn't actually matter what PR the mafia has because we're pretty much at the low end of the town power range imo since none of the 5 TPRs are "strong" per-se.

Interesting to learn that, I've never taken this into consideration with detectives and cops in general I assume?

I'm pretty happy with this right now.

[VFP]

Someone should vote Flea or Clidd.

[clidd]

I like Flea as town initially. They're pretty open and detailed in their theories. Saturday morning (at the latest) I'll be running my own VCA and compare with theirs to ensure its not full of hot air or protecting slots randomly, but disagreement alone won't flag as scummy due to the game being early.

That or maybe Flea is a fae after my own heart and ego.

"Im not reading much, just some vcas and some pages, but without taking a look at predecessors or any other slot, I magically like Flea. The reason is that fea is open and detailed in her theories. So fea must be likely town, bc town are open in their theories and explanations. Scum aren't. I didn't evaluate what fea said, or if I agree, but it seems towny "

[clidd]

20ish Clidd posts in a row. Not reading that shit ever.

"oh no, clidd is posting a lot, I'm not reading. I don't even know what he is saying but I aren't going to read"

~town mentality

[VFP]

Maybe it's just as simple as 1 of
Titus / Gera/ Flea
Clidd / Gera/ Flea

[clidd]

@clidd, If you're town, actually make me want to read your posts. You weren't like this in Nancy Drew.

False impartiality. Atm I'm 80% sure that Titus is not coming from an uninformed/ genuine/ that needs to actively find out who is scum/perspective.

[clidd]

I don't buy that town!Titus just says "ok clidd, if you're town you need to make me want to read your posts, you know that right?"

Such a fake thing to say.

[clidd]

Just rechecked, Pooky is a PR claim which makes it suboptimal to eliminate him, but he knows that. :/

More fillers.

[clidd]

Eyeballing day 1, is there a clear on Pooky? There's a lot of green on Pooky and he got to L minus 1.

Here too.

[clidd]

Spoiler:

From the past few pages Gretchen looks the worse for giving dripping goofball a pass for a clear attempt to fake defeatism. I have zero doubt that behavior can come from town but I find it so unlikely that a town pr would act like that under pressure. I will try to check in every day but I guarantee nothing so if a claim is needed, I'll provide it now if two people reply within five minutes.

Amelie's OMGUSing but instead of being honest about it and saying it's because she doesn't like my push on her, she's making up some weird reason lmao. like multiple people had that reaction to DGB, not just me, are we all sus?

VOTE: Amelie this is maf

Huuum.

think about it clidd. Amelie said i looked the worst from the last few pages because Goofy's defeatism was thaat fake. but if she finds Goofy's defeatism that fake she should think Goofy looks the worst from the last few pages, not me.

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it's a convoluted reason to OMGUS instead of reacting like how i think a town would OMGUS. feels like maf

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The defeatism is fake. Fake things don't always come from scum.
VOTE: Gretchen
Why did you latch on me the moment I called you scum?
I think the reason is because you are either DrippingGoofBall's scum buddy and you are trying to save them.
Or
DrippingGoofBall is town that you think is a mislim better saved for later.

DrippingGoofBall has constantly been scummy this entire game offering close to zero reasons to back up any of their thoughts. They are either scum or town that is playing poorly. Either way scum would want to save them here because they are either a scum buddy or not a threat to scum.

I admit my logic has been all over the place this game. However, you are the one constantly picking on that which I have felt weirdly about for a while now. There is no possible way you think town all have good logic and scum bad logic.

Ok, that's her reaction.

Spoiler:

am i the only seeing Amelie as obv maf now? she doesn't even have the timeline of who omgused who right lmao. the last line especially feels very fake

i also don't get her confidence in the defeatism being fake regardless of Goofy's alignment. why would town be faking that?

VOTE: amelie
not checking if this is hammer, just voting

I can vote amelie here.
Town I feel like are Dann, Solon, Gretchen DGB and Lotus

VOTE: amelie
I think that's E1

I'm gonna be honest

it's finals week so that bit of information must have just leaked out of my brain

VOTE: amelie

I can do Alice too I suppose

3 votes in one page.

Weird speed. Feels like someone was bussing if scum!Amélie is real.

Spoiler:

It is quite late here but since Clidd requested my presence, I'm here. Nothing in the game has changed much since I last checked in except that I might drop geraint and I'm worried about RLotus town reading me. Geraint's doesn't seem like he believes in the push he is making on me. He feels like he knows I'm town and is constantly thinking about ways to scum read me in his long and wordy posts that really are just saying things that could be summed up in three sentences. I don't see a reason for scum Lotus to not just hammer me at E-1 but I also don't see why town Lotus would townread me. In my last game with Lotus, they barely had a read on me. I have been getting more and more certain clidd is town because of how he has been actually thinking. When I was scum, I didn't think before I posted whereas as town I spend time thinking about what and why I have certain reads. I reconsider and think more. Clidd's reads have changed naturally and he has taken the time and effort to meta players. I think he is most likely town. If there is a town cop, I strongly encourage they target me tonight because I will become a more and more likely mislim as the game progresses especially given my lack of time currently.

I still strongly believe Gretchen is scum and I think no other wagon is better than that one. I'll post an updated reads list tomorrow morning.

Meh. Scumpost.

I'm not sure if that is the hammer but quickly before I go to work, last words are that I think Dripping is probably town at this point. This is too suicidal. If that wasn't the hammer, we need to think a bit before doing anything. They are being very suicidal and I just think at this point, it comes from town.

If DrippingGoofball is scum and that was the hammer, I'm happy to call Dannflor scum for a hammer out of nowhere. Solon's vote is horrible but that was minimegabyte and she was a solid townread of mine. I don't like VFB but I could see them being scum and that's it. Back to the cop on me request please.

Arg.. Can't sleep.. I'm having nightmares about this slot not being voted.

I'm rereading this and getting to the same conclusion.

[clidd]

Spoiler broken, but the posts are still understandable ^

[clidd]

Maybe it's just as simple as 1 of
Titus / Gera/ Flea
Clidd / Gera/ Flea

I'll vote Flea if no one is really interested in this wagon after 10 hours.

[clidd]

It isn't good, but it's out of my control anyways.