Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

[Disaster Cartel]

I expected to have to work for a skitt/mena townread

I mean you’re posting which seems like a reasonable basis to start from

-Mena

[notscience]

I had a massive post count in tenet and you scumread me mena

iirc my postcount in Smugglers port was fine D1 and I only pettered it off D2 to try and avoid dooming dats

[Disaster Cartel]

Wait

I thought u just didn’t post when u were scum? Is this not a thing?

-Mena

[Disaster Cartel]

Like u did the same thing and just noped out here + in TM + in another of our games?

-Mena

[Disaster Cartel]

Here* is JK9++ idk why that translated weirdly in my head

-Mena

[notscience]

I’ve only ever been in one team mafia

Jk9 I was low activity EVERYWHERE bc I was working so much

As for the last one I don’t know what other game it would be.

[Not_Mafia]

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Brave Heart Lion]

V/la two days

BUT FEAR NOT!

Loyal braveheart will be back to defend carealot!

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Not_Mafia

Was a fun thought while it lasted. Don't think notscience is out of scum range but do like what he's posted so far.

i've fallen for the not maf policy yeet too many times

If Not_Mafia flips scum (which is looking more and more possible by the minute), then ^this^ is a potential partner.

[Nachomamma8]

p-edit: if some of these questions aren't being asked in good faith (i.e. trying to use them to bait reactions rather than meaning them in earnest then fair enough, but otherwise I don't really see what makes his viability so temporally dependent)

I don't know what you're responding to here, nor do I know what you're trying to say here.

What's the advantage of dealing with Not_Mafia later as opposed to now?

[Nachomamma8]

- why are yoh assuming nm is gonna get flipped at all? Like you're preassuming we're for sure gonna flip him when i'm not sure that's the case
- unless he's like exactly scum and the whole scumteam decides to go and defend him, flipping nm is usually kinda a waste from an infoflip perspective cuz he usually has like no interactions
- kinda feels like you're willing to basically lose an easy point to maybe get an easy point but i feel like by actualky utilizing the day we can make a much stronger flip and actually have some more useful info going into the night instead 'meh might as well flip nm anyways and let scum do whatever'
- like you're kinda basically taking a cointoss that might have a good outcome and might not instead of actually trying to get something good and meaningful accomplished with the day
- arent u supposed to be, like, good at this?

Pedit yeah i dont know *why* he thinks that townie from salsa tho
Also salsa that was abt u

My experience is that Not Mafia tends to lurk a lot, doesn't tend to scumhunt nor contribute in a significant way to the point where he basically doesn't play the game. In a game like this with an absolutely massive scumteam I'm pretty confident that someone like him is going to end up as lynchbait. Do you disagree? What are your previous experiences with him?

I don't know where you're getting the impression that I'm trying to rush the day. Unless someone does something significant to change my mind, Not Mafia is my death candidate. I think that it's extremely unlikely town!Not-Mafia survives the game and I think it's extremely likely scum!Not_Mafia gets sacrificed, hence he's a priority to figure out. He can have all the time in the world for someone else to fuck up or for him to step it up in any way whatsoever, but see my experience above. I don't think it's going to happen.

Salsa accused Kismet of lying about not playing in a Perpetual MyLo setup before because Kismet was playing on an alt. That's a convoluted line of thought that I don't think that she comes up with if scum there - it tends to be quite hard for baddies to fake paranoia when they have all of the answers in front of them, and it would be extraordinarily impressive if she came up with the idea to fake paranoia there.

[Nachomamma8]

hard tunnels get potentially interesting in this kind of setup because scum are inclined to do them, win that day, and just peace out of the game the next day after the flip makes them look horrible

i think we should be insisting that people take a fairly breadth-first approach to the game.

I mean that's kinda what i was getting at wrt potential scum motivation here

~ i really should be signing, everything has been me thus far
Skitter

Do you really think that I'm angling to sacrifice myself in exchange for Not_Mafia's life...? Really?

[Nachomamma8]

Notsci please @ me when you're also townreading salsa

Wait, are you townreading me??
And when do

notscience

start to townread me???

My post directed to notscience was asking him to talk to me about you - I think you're projecting town pretty strongly at this point and I respect notscience a lot as a player so I expect him to share my read on you.

[Not_Mafia]

I was like town MVP in the last run of this set-up

[Not_Mafia]

Anyway I’m not reading 8 pages. What’s happened so far?

[Not_Mafia]

Anyway I’m not reading 8 pages. What’s happened so far?

[Nachomamma8]

Because his team will sacrifice him the first opportunity they get. I know I would if scum!

Hmm I'm not sure I agree with this. If we can't read NM (notsci thinks he kinda can but less assume that for a sec) then they're always rand scum, and if our reads are any good then our best scumread should be >rand scum. The reason we can policy lim NM in a normal setup is that we can spend elims to narrow down the PoE, where we don't have that luxury here. Also, it's gonna be hard to get the votes to lim them unless they're town. So I'll only vote NM if the wagon on them is very towny.

As I've said before, I'm more than happy to move elsewhere if something better comes up.

I might have been a little more dramatic than necessary with the presentation of things yesterday which is why everyone apparently thinks the only think I will ever care about is Not_Mafia's day 1 death, but my point is that eliminating the weak link from the mafia team because mafia can sacrifice them would be a significant win. The person I see mafia as most likely to sacrifice is Not Mafia. As a result, he deserves extra scrutiny - I don't plan on letting him get past today unless he actually does something that looks town.

[Nachomamma8]

Anyway I’m not reading 8 pages. What’s happened so far?

mena claimed a guilty on you two pages ago

[Nachomamma8]

hey vft

if you had to vote someone right now and that would decide the elim for today, who would you vote?

~leaf

This seems like empty questioning to me.
Could you really not connect that skitter was scumreading me after skitter talked about their scumread on me?

[Nachomamma8]

Lilith has my favorite response to my push, notscience my least favorite. The scum motivation that Lilith presented makes more sense than what skitter did and it feels more like she's trying to figure me out whereas skitter it's more "what Nacho is doing is bad" versus "what Nacho is doing is likely to be coming from scum". With regards to notscience I don't understand why giving Not mafia space is important to start reading him and I don't like that he didn't try to read me or my push in any way.

Vote: notscience

I do think it's worth noting that 10 is the only post you'd made by the time noddy posted anything he did this game and I think to call what you'd done by that point a "push" is a bit much.

This is pedantic - what would you rather me call it instead?
I did something, I thought notscience would have an opinion on it.

Do you not think skitter was trying to figure you out? She was, at least, questioning you and hadn't made up her mind yet.

This post (specifically, the notsci part) feels less nuanced than it should be for some unknown definition of should

Skitter's stance is logical enough, but I don't see where it translates to a scumread on me. I can see her asking me questions, but I can't see her read evolving when she does so. Jury's still out on that one.

Expecting nuance from a read based on one post is a bit silly.

Also nacho posting this much is prob +scum anyways

You drawn scum since you’ve been back yet?

The # of times that I post in a game have to do with a wide variety of factors. This doesn't have anything to do with my alignment most of the time.

I have drawn scum since I've been back. I got ripped away from it by life situations, but there was at least one glorious day of being scum and having fun.

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

hey vft

if you had to vote someone right now and that would decide the elim for today, who would you vote?

~leaf

This seems like empty questioning to me.
Could you really not connect that skitter was scumreading me after skitter talked about their scumread on me?

it was for drawing associations because they mentioned thinking you/nm could be partners

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

also i am glad to see that my partner did not play after telling me he would

~leaf

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

If Not_Mafia flips scum (which is looking more and more possible by the minute)

also he made one post at this point

how

~leaf

[Nachomamma8]

just now realized skitter/lillith were the same hydra.
oops.

[Nachomamma8]

If Not_Mafia flips scum (which is looking more and more possible by the minute)

also he made one post at this point

how

~leaf

every time i say that it's because i get a townread elsewhere
it's gonna be a meme