Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

If Not_Mafia flips scum (which is looking more and more possible by the minute)

also he made one post at this point

how

~leaf

every time i say that it's because i get a townread elsewhere
it's gonna be a meme

oh

that makes sense idk why i didnt think of that

~leaf

[Nachomamma8]

good
Kismet
Salsabil Faria
Infinity 324

good?
notscience

bad
SirCakez
Leafeon and Glaceon (beeboy, Mistyx hydra)
Not_Mafia
Brave Heart Lion
Disaster Cartel (Menalque, Ydrasse hydra)
Venus Fly Trap (skitter30, lilith2013 hydra)
The Bulge

[Nachomamma8]

hey vft

if you had to vote someone right now and that would decide the elim for today, who would you vote?

~leaf

This seems like empty questioning to me.
Could you really not connect that skitter was scumreading me after skitter talked about their scumread on me?

it was for drawing associations because they mentioned thinking you/nm could be partners

~leaf

Read this post a couple of times and am still not sure what you're saying here. Can you elaborate?

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

hey vft

if you had to vote someone right now and that would decide the elim for today, who would you vote?

~leaf

This seems like empty questioning to me.
Could you really not connect that skitter was scumreading me after skitter talked about their scumread on me?

it was for drawing associations because they mentioned thinking you/nm could be partners

~leaf

Read this post a couple of times and am still not sure what you're saying here. Can you elaborate?

uhhh

idk exactly how to put it so not really?

it was in response to 101 if that helps

~leaf

[Infinity 324]

And would like u to elaborate on why u are tomorrow @skitt

-Mena

Kismet's posts have been very good so far and I'd be sad if they were scum. There's only so much I can TR someone I haven't seen play before, but kismet is pretty close to that ceiling

[Infinity 324]

Meh I dont really think anyone thinks likes this as scum

Idk how scum think, but I don't see scum players go all out on pushing townies very much atm. Obviously it depends on the player

[notscience]

Dancing is no fun if you unvote me before I wake up.

[Infinity 324]

The person I see mafia as most likely to sacrifice is Not Mafia.

Given the opinions expressed on NM here so far, I don't agree

[Infinity 324]

also i am glad to see that my partner did not play after telling me he would

~leaf

Isn't beeboy the one who just doesn't post as scum?

[notscience]

I think a better question is who, if scum, would ask for the sweet release of death first

Ninja-
Yes

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

also i am glad to see that my partner did not play after telling me he would

~leaf

Isn't beeboy the one who just doesn't post as scum?

so i've been told yes

~leaf

[Kismet]

My experience is that Not Mafia tends to lurk a lot, doesn't tend to scumhunt nor contribute in a significant way to the point where he basically doesn't play the game.

Nacho,

people generally 'get' this part of your point, and either agree or are at least sympathetic to it although this is a ymmv experience from game to game

i think at least where you're losing me is that you seem to be saying that scum getting the opportunity to safehouse (i'm going to use this term to refer to a scum reverse nk) n_m is like a huge value play for them, to the point that we need to scorched earth the shit out of that slot to ensure that they don't have the opportunity to do this, even if he is town.

and i just don't understand the significance of that play in particular. if he's town and we mislim him we're down 1-0, same as mislimming anyone else. and yes, in the 'anyone else' case, scum now has the opportunity to safehouse n_m. why is it such a +++scum move to do that? i think if you can elaborate on that we might get to a spot of more mutual understanding

[Kismet]

I wasn’t pissed at you I was just a bit frustrated that EVERYONE was shooting it down

bc I have no baseline or any idea of who it is and that inherently makes me slightly +sus unless it’s hectic (which it apparently isn’t)

I’m not SRing them, I just feel uneasy with the slot

-Mena

not thrilled with this progression in that, uncharitably, i want to interpret it as:

mena: "hey skitter, are you up for me chipping away at that kismet townread?"
skitter: NO SALE
mena: <darn, better change tack on that and make it more just general paranoia about the fact that i don't know who i'm dealing with>

which like isn't a terrible angle in and of itself, but two things: 1) dunno why you single me out there if your read just boils down to "dunno spooky alt", and 2) you've taken the whole "i've tried nothing and am out of ideas" approach to reading me so far

[Not_Mafia]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=73659

In the last run of this set-up I was killed by scum n1, jus saying

[notscience]

If I was scum I’d leave up my buddy who can plausibly quick hammer from either alignment for the record

I don’t hate nachos townreads pool though.

Ninja-
Lord and savior notmaf who is scum

You are my Shepard

[SirCakez]

policying NM is my idea of a good time

-Mena

why not a good book ^.^

no

VOTE: NM

-Mena

Eh, I don't like this vote.

UNVOTE: Venus Fly Trap

VOTE: Disaster Cartel

I will sheep this in lack of something better
still reading

VOTE: disaster cartel

[SirCakez]

VOTE: venus fly trap
Cursed hydra

(◕‸ ◕✿) why cursed?!

because you always snow me...
and skitter has been having a tough run lately

tbh I'm kind of thinking scum!nacho is getting his buddy NM out of the way so that he can direct a nightkill onto a townie of his choice rather than only being able to kill a miselim-able townie during the day.

- lilith

I think Nacho's play has been bizarre but I don't think this is in the realm of possiblity.

I like the vote on L&G and am going to go there too; mostly just cause I wanna be somewhere, iso is pretty vapid, and the phrasing of 109 just irks me vs a more reasonable "who are you scumreading atm"

I agree with this as well.

Lilith has my favorite response to my push, notscience my least favorite. The scum motivation that Lilith presented makes more sense than what skitter did and it feels more like she's trying to figure me out whereas skitter it's more "what Nacho is doing is bad" versus "what Nacho is doing is likely to be coming from scum". With regards to notscience I don't understand why giving Not mafia space is important to start reading him and I don't like that he didn't try to read me or my push in any way.

Vote: notscience

this post doesn't make any sense to me

[Salsabil Faria]

V/LA till 16th April due to health issue.

[Disaster Cartel]

I’ve only ever been in one team mafia

Jk9 I was low activity EVERYWHERE bc I was working so much

As for the last one I don’t know what other game it would be.

Okay nvm, I thought that every game I’d played with scum!you you’d basically just nope’d tf out of so you playing here even a bit was +town for you

If it’s not then uh, idk, I still kinda wanna townlean u for not just taking the read

-Mena

[Disaster Cartel]

good
Kismet
Salsabil Faria
Infinity 324

good?
notscience

bad
SirCakez
Leafeon and Glaceon (beeboy, Mistyx hydra)
Not_Mafia
Brave Heart Lion
Disaster Cartel (Menalque, Ydrasse hydra)
Venus Fly Trap (skitter30, lilith2013 hydra)
The Bulge

Are these tiered or not?

[SirCakez]

I like Kismet, Salsa and Infinity. Not crazy about notsci, L+G, or Venus Fly Trap. I can have lots of scumreads in this game

I stg if we have to have another conversation about policy limming and why it’s worth it I will put my face through my desk given the context

-Mena

this seems so fake

Or we could let the game breathe and if we really can’t come up with a better option and need a deadline scramble then we decide to go there

I’m not saying we speed lim I’m saying that the only reason policy lims don’t work is bc people get attached to their pet SRs which most of the time aren’t any better than rand, and we should just play it safe and agree that we’re limming NM unless someone basically claims scum

-Mena

YIKES

Vote: Not_Mafia

Was a fun thought while it lasted. Don't think notscience is out of scum range but do like what he's posted so far.

i've fallen for the not maf policy yeet too many times

If Not_Mafia flips scum (which is looking more and more possible by the minute), then ^this^ is a potential partner.

sure dude

also i am glad to see that my partner did not play after telling me he would

~leaf

Isn't beeboy the one who just doesn't post as scum?

this is true

[SirCakez]

Done reading. Disaster Cartel is AWFUL and I do not want to move my vote. Nacho is also just ??????? leaning towards scum. All of the hydras are not good actually.

[notscience]

You want to dance Cakez? What don’t you like about me

[SirCakez]

I don't like your approach to this game. It feels too passive.

[Disaster Cartel]

I wasn’t pissed at you I was just a bit frustrated that EVERYONE was shooting it down

bc I have no baseline or any idea of who it is and that inherently makes me slightly +sus unless it’s hectic (which it apparently isn’t)

I’m not SRing them, I just feel uneasy with the slot

-Mena

not thrilled with this progression in that, uncharitably, i want to interpret it as:

mena: "hey skitter, are you up for me chipping away at that kismet townread?"
skitter: NO SALE
mena: <darn, better change tack on that and make it more just general paranoia about the fact that i don't know who i'm dealing with>

which like isn't a terrible angle in and of itself, but two things: 1) dunno why you single me out there if your read just boils down to "dunno spooky alt", and 2) you've taken the whole "i've tried nothing and am out of ideas" approach to reading me so far

only that’s not what happened? I wanted to know why skitt was TRing you bc you’re evidently experienced but I have no idea what your scumgame is like from a range of like FL to kerset

I singled you out bc u were the only one I didn’t get from skitt’s pov (infinity isn’t town either yet, but skitt generally slaps a read on her earlier than I will)

And like yeh, no shit I haven’t tried reading u yet, hence why i was surprised to see skitt professing a TR on a v unknown quality in a game where there’s like, reasonable incentive for scum to TR each other

-Mena