Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

[Disaster Cartel]

I stg if we have to have another conversation about policy limming and why it’s worth it I will put my face through my desk given the context

-Mena

1 this post just doesn't make any sense as town. why is he so opposed to this conversation? it's not like the thread was getting blown up
2 the "put my face through desk" comment seems like a huge exaggeration

I have one tentative TR so fsr

3 he has no development of reads as stated

I'm not confident notsci is town, should I be?

Notsci is my one TR lol

-Mena

4 and notsci? doesn't make any sense

I wasn’t pissed at you I was just a bit frustrated that EVERYONE was shooting it down

bc I have no baseline or any idea of who it is and that inherently makes me slightly +sus unless it’s hectic (which it apparently isn’t)

I’m not SRing them, I just feel uneasy with the slot

-Mena

5 uneasy but not SRing is such a cop-out

I just really hate the posting around NM and notsci

(1) Did u read any of JK9++ while modding it? Or like, my hydra pt with skitts?

(2) yeah, sure, it is. why does that matter?

(3) bruh there were like 6 pages that I’d skimmed, what are you expecting from me at that point? Besides which, have you ever played with scum!mena before? Bc fabricating reads is not a weakness of my scumgame, especially not SRs

(4) does my entire conversation with notsci have any relevance regarding this..?

(5) see point (3), but like how is this anything other than NAI for me?

-Mena

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

Hello I just woke up I am going to go read the thread no.
I was playing a survivor/mafia variant yesterday and the deadline was really late for some reason .

I am going to read part of the thread shower then read the other part.

- Glaceon

[Disaster Cartel]

i'm aware i'm spinning this a bit because i think that might be the potential reason for scum to approach from that angle.

i wasn't really considering the point of you trying to force skitter to legitimize her read on me, and that's fair.

overall, i have a decent amount of content out there and i guess i am expecting at least some engagement on it though, but if your primary focus is on skitter at this point in time rather than me with that progression, that really does change my interpretation of your trajectory and i don't mind it as much.

im not sure what angle you mean? As in you think scum would be more likely to push you for being a secret alt?

yeh, you’re posting and I’ll get to u when I get to u, but for now I wanna try and sort people I’m familiar with and think I can reliably sort, then I’ll worry more about those I haven’t played w/ before

-Mena

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

V/LA till 16th April due to health issue.

I'd be voting for this slot if it wasn't for this post ngl.
I find everything they are doing is just them existing and vibing rather than actually playing the game.

Which just reads like scum going through the motions waiting for something easy to grab onto.
I can elaborate in 4 days I guess.

[Infinity 324]

Feel better salsa

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

if a head forgets to sign assume its me (bee/glaceon) because I am usually really bad at that.

re:Not Mafia talk from early pages. The only benefit to him as an early compromise option is as we get the flip for info and if he is scum he is almost always the first boot in terms of someone the scum team would want to get rid of. But if we simply vote out the scum players they can't free him from the prison known as a mafia game.

And to a super small degree, he is ever so slightly more likely to be town (6-5) so if he is town it would be kinda funny to see if he just gets cleared because scum never removes him from the game. So I guess it boils down to if we have more scum or town reads at the moment in time we want to end the day but letting him live is objectively the funnier approach.

- Glaceon

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

Feel better salsa

^^^^
This, I hope you're doing alright.

- Glaceon

[notscience]

As a side note I’m a bit confused why those pro-notmaf haven’t brought up that them killing him d1 (assuming he’s scum) would be super low info. It’s always about “CANT LET HIM ESCAPE”

Like I don’t get why the focus is on removing “weak links” rather than limiting how much information actually goes out?

[Leafeon and Glaceon]

I think it can be optimal if we have literally no direction.
Since his flip gives some level of clear info, but I agree wanting it this early feels weird to me.

Not to mention the "no escape" route is super funny from a scum panicking in there PT POV if he's town.

- Glaceon

[Venus Fly Trap]

I don’t get what the value in spending an elim on a scum!NM is and I’m struggling to understand why anyone thinks this is the best play to make.

- we spend an elim on scum!NM -> scum get to direct a NK to a strong town voice
- we don’t spend an elim on scum!NM -> if nacho is correct and scumteam sacrifices NM first, he still dies. but town got to direct the other person who dies in the first day/night cycle. How is that ever worse than option 1? town-directed elim >>>>>>> scum-directed NK. even if it’s a miselim, we got way more info out of it and also presumably are not using our D1 elim to get rid of a strong town voice.

like I said, reeeeeeally struggling to see why spending an elim on NM is more valuable than spending an elim on someone who we actually scumread.

nacho trajectory on us: “lilith had good reaction to my push” —> we’re in his scumpool. ???? progression

I already made my stance on N_M clear

actually I went through your ISO and couldn’t find any “clear stance” about NM whatsoever. I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned that NM is usually town when he’s being wagoned, like in panic room. That makes me think you’re trying not to lean too hard one way or the other on an NM wagon in case it does actually go through.

re: opinion on Nacho, like I said I don’t understand how someone comes to the conclusion that NM is the most valuable elim we can make D1. I don’t buy that this is a genuine town thought process from nacho. I think it’s more likely that nacho is trying to sacrifice a buddy to an elim so that he gets to direct an NK than scum!nacho trying to miselim the LHF town!NM so that he can sacrifice someone on his team who is presumably more valuable to his team than NM is to town. why ever go after such LHF like that when you have to sacrifice a partner for it? ergo, scumbuddies.

- lilith

[Venus Fly Trap]

The infinity / leafeon interaction on like page 6 also felt really floppy

this is likely the extent of my contribution to the thread for the day.

@salsa hope you feel better

- lilith

[notscience]

I meant n1 not d1 I’m sorry

[SirCakez]

DC I will get back to you in a little bit

V/LA till 16th April due to health issue.

I'd be voting for this slot if it wasn't for this post ngl.
I find everything they are doing is just them existing and vibing rather than actually playing the game.

Which just reads like scum going through the motions waiting for something easy to grab onto.
I can elaborate in 4 days I guess.

I highly disagree. I see a lot of town motivation in Salsa's play.

[Kismet]

if there's one thing i don't like about cakez so far is progression on VFT

you come in a slot you're supposedly very wary of ("you always snow me", etc.)
but like outside of 241 (are you calling lilith's 101 scummy there? can't tell) you've got virtually no progression or focus on the slot and then they're just in your "don't like" pool because ????

i get being paranoid of strong scum but that's not the vibe i'm getting here.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: SirCakez

I don't believe his scumread on his disaster and I don't believe his scumread on me. I'll get into it later when I have more time.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm also done talking about the NM play. It's patently obvious to me that I won't be convincing a majority to go along with it, and I don't think that me getting more and more pissed as I attempt to explain myself on the same points over the next 20 pages is the best thing for thread health.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm also done talking about the NM play. It's patently obvious to me that I won't be convincing a majority to go along with it, and I don't think that me getting more and more pissed as I attempt to explain myself on the same points over the next 20 pages is the best thing for thread health.

I am never eliminated day 1, it’s just how things work

[notscience]

Sorry nacho, i was more interested in why that path of argument was chosen over others? Like trying to get into how I would decide those kills as scum that was one of my first thoughts.

Nacho and Cakez can dance

[SirCakez]

if there's one thing i don't like about cakez so far is progression on VFT

you come in a slot you're supposedly very wary of ("you always snow me", etc.)
but like outside of 241 (are you calling lilith's 101 scummy there? can't tell) you've got virtually no progression or focus on the slot and then they're just in your "don't like" pool because ????

i get being paranoid of strong scum but that's not the vibe i'm getting here.

I didn't elaborate on that because I was just trying to dump thoughts and move on
but basically I'm waiting on Lilith to give me some of the usual town pings and I have not gotten any so far so they are sitting in don't like until I see what I want to see

Vote: SirCakez

I don't believe his scumread on his disaster and I don't believe his scumread on me. I'll get into it later when I have more time.

mmmmmmmm

[SirCakez]

Nacho reacted pretty much how I'd expect him to as scum here
town!Nacho would reach out before immediately diving for an attack I think

[SirCakez]

VOTE: nacho

[Kismet]

Nacho reacted pretty much how I'd expect him to as scum here
town!Nacho would reach out before immediately diving for an attack I think

based on what prior art in particular here?

i briefly looked at popcorn because i know that was a recent TvT game you both had but so much of early game was tammy i kinda gave up on making any useful conclusion from it.

[SirCakez]

Popcorn yeah. Nacho reached out too; it wasn't just Tammy. Very similar situation where I opened SRing the slot.

[Venus Fly Trap]

@cakes

I already made my stance on N_M clear

actually I went through your ISO and couldn’t find any “clear stance” about NM whatsoever. I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned that NM is usually town when he’s being wagoned, like in panic room. That makes me think you’re trying not to lean too hard one way or the other on an NM wagon in case it does actually go through.

re: opinion on Nacho, like I said I don’t understand how someone comes to the conclusion that NM is the most valuable elim we can make D1. I don’t buy that this is a genuine town thought process from nacho. I think it’s more likely that nacho is trying to sacrifice a buddy to an elim so that he gets to direct an NK than scum!nacho trying to miselim the LHF town!NM so that he can sacrifice someone on his team who is presumably more valuable to his team than NM is to town. why ever go after such LHF like that when you have to sacrifice a partner for it? ergo, scumbuddies.

- lilith

you're literally ignoring me, so you can stop pretending that you're trying to read me whatsoever. "waiting on Lilith to give town pings" okay well how exactly are you doing that if you're not even reading my posts, and in particular the parts of those posts that are addressed to you?

- lilith

[Venus Fly Trap]

if there's one thing i don't like about cakez so far is progression on VFT

you come in a slot you're supposedly very wary of ("you always snow me", etc.)
but like outside of 241 (are you calling lilith's 101 scummy there? can't tell) you've got virtually no progression or focus on the slot and then they're just in your "don't like" pool because ????

i get being paranoid of strong scum but that's not the vibe i'm getting here.

yeah I don't think he's actually trying to sort our slot.

- lilith