Newbie 2059 - Scummer's Baking Championship (Baked Over)

[JacksonVirgo]

why the **** did I come back to the most recent page, and there's discussions on pr?

who the flying duck asked / forced them to claim

and literally with the other pr dead it doesn't matter what their role is and they might as well out since they're dying so why is it not good to ask them for their role?

VOTE: Ahri

Not even joking I think this is a scum-slip

[JacksonVirgo]

And to explain why I think that's a scum-slip, they fell into an extremely common "Liar's Trap" I guess you could call it. Typically those who are lying tend to add information which is, by itself, useless but it's subconsciously or even consciously there to try and make their cases stronger. And it's the very first sentence that's what I got pinged by.

That sentence being "Why the *** did

I come back to the most recent page"

. Why would anybody say this if they genuinely read just the last page, especially someone who has been slanking the entire game. They wouldn't add this piece of information, and thus it's only from the perspective of a liar and this exact lie doesn't come from an anti-town townie in this context, at least I am almost certain.

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler:

Ahri has been fixated on self-image that I did not realise until diving through their ISO.

i have waited so long for you Ahri!

and this pagetop :3

Ahri, the third imposter, has come to play!

This is where the conscious self-image starts with Ahri, but it is far from the last time.

not sure if I get the flavour

so the mafia are kids who destroy other people's snacks
and the town are the kids who make snacks?

and the way mafia kills is by destroying someone's dessert so they have nothing to present
the way town eliminates is by voting someone off

and pls am not tryna hunt prs here but
how do prs even work
tracker / doctor can make sense i guess
but how does cop "check" another kid and how do "masons" even work

my brain

They are trying to "solve" the game's flavour, which is already super strange but NAI as far as I am aware.
But they are super self-conscious about their image when they say that they aren't trying to hunt PRs which is unlike a town's mentality.

uh

i was meme'ing but dat rxn doe

Retraction and immediate retaliation is a tell of someone that's trying to seriously protect themselves.

anyways bad elims for today are jackson / HoG / the afk / skitter

mainly because given jackson / hog's playstyle it's so easy to mess up and openclaim mafia
and the afk / skitter haven't really done anything and are capable of a lot more

This isn't anything AI, I just wanted to ask why my playstyle makes it easy to mess up and scum-claim? I am fairly strong as scum

*reading my iso*
*every single post fixated on Andante*

anyways I'm 90% sure Andante is flipping red here, given this main reason:

he's not scumhunting, but rather looking for the "easiest" or "best" elimination. what i mean by that is that he is prodding to see if people will vote me for having no content, he's voting jackson bc he's in a hotspot, and constantly asking "hm can i push this person?"

thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

back to lurking.

Self-conscious of their own content that they wanted to put this here as a protective barrier in a sense.

honestly like I don't even remember if I was mafia VT or pr in this game all i know that is this jackson person is too towny and this pooky person is probably scum

tenks

"They don't remember" my ass. Tells me that they are super aware of the existance of scum and PR more than the average player, as they would likely either say "I don't remember my role" or not even say it at all and actually CHECK the role.

[T3]

I'm convinced. VOTE: Ahri

[Fizz Raab]

I've said it all along that Ahri is scum from the day I spotted less helpful advice along with the post in general that was quoted which I completely agree on and I'm certainly going to do this right now

UNVOTE: Whemestar

VOTE: Ahri

[Fizz Raab]

We also need these updated votes from the mod as well here so we know where we are at, regarding those.

[T3]

skitter and jv are probable town here. Fizz is uncced pr. I'm town. Whem is also town.
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POE leaves Ahri
Mo
Irish
Mo and Irish are probably not scumbuddies.
That leaves Ahri as very likely maf.

[T3]

Ahri hasn't shown up to defend (or anyone, for that matter).

[skitter30]

jv i can kinda see where you're coming from wrt ahri but i'm not convinced how she's playing is more likely to come from scum than disinterested town

t3 i feel like this vote hop is oppurtunistic and just you switching because jv is pushing ahri and it seems to have more traction atm
i'm really not sure why you're just point-blanc not willing to vote irish

my bet for the scumteam is t3/irish

[T3]

GrandpaMo and Ahri are and were my top scumreads for valid reasons.
Anyways, the way interactions are going the scumteams seem to be
me/Irish
Mo/Ahri
and JV and Fizz are very likely town.
I am unwilling to vote Irish here because Irish isn't scummy enough. If Irish flips scum at some point then yes. I will accept scumreads and accept the fact that my read was wrong. But I have't seen anything convincing enough for me to vote Irish over the bad and scummy votes against Irish.

[Cabd]

Votecount 2-3

With 8 players alive, it will take 5 votes to eliminate.

Whemestar (2): GrandpaMo, Irish Dancer
No Elimination (1): Ahri
irish dancer (1) skitter30
GranpaMo (1): WhemeStar
Ahri (3): JacksonVirgo, T3, Fizz Raab

Not Voting (0):

Deadline for Day Two: (expired on 2021-04-15 19:49:39)

Note: 24 hours was added to the deadline for the T3 replace-in. Above deadline reflects this change.

[T3]

If we're going by PoE here Ahri is very likely scum to me.
There were bad.votes on Wheme, then the townslip
skitter hasn't done anything scummy and defended Wheme.
Fizz is PR.
JV is very towny and is pushing someone not me in the PoE.
Grandpa has basically had the attitude "WHEMESCYUM IRISHSCUM" Probably not scum with Irish.
That leaves Ahri.

[skitter30]

I am unwilling to vote Irish here because Irish isn't scummy enough. If Irish flips scum at some point then yes. I will accept scumreads and accept the fact that my read was wrong. But I have't seen anything convincing enough for me to vote Irish over the bad and scummy votes against Irish.

he literally tried to quickhammer wheme tho >.>

adn the entire irish wagon was people you're saying you're townreading (me / jv / fizz) so who exactly are the 'bad and scummy votes against irish'???

[T3]

Ahri is also voting for no elim, even though that effectively gives us two townies dead, the equivalent of a normal D2. All no elim will do is make sure Fizz dies. At that point it will effectively be a mountainous. We have a good pool of 4 people. We should vote in the pool, and we have a solid chance of getting scum. This has been explained to Ahri, and she still no elims for reasons unknown. With Iriish inactive the only way the Ahri vote can gain traction is if skitter stops scumreading me for the moment.
pedit: I mean the current Irish vote with Mo casually saying : relax vote irish tomorrow.

[T3]

Irish claims to not know what a hammer is. Based on activity clearly a newbie with a slow learning curve.

[skitter30]

but ahri doesn't seem to understand the nuances of pr's necessarily anyways so why is it *scummy* of her to suggest that
also why are you castigating ahri for not voting in the pool when your prferred vote is ahri herself

and why is gm willing to vote irish tomorrow a more relevant piece of information than the fact that your entire townpool was voting someone you don't even townread

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>.>
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why is everyone voting people i don't want to flip???

@grandpamo/irish why exactly are you voting wheme
@jv why exactly is ahri a better vote than t3? i think the scumteam is exactly t3 + irish

pedit ok but if he can get in here so that i can grill him abt that and make that assessment myself i would appreciate it

[T3]

Good point.
I don't see how the points JV is maling are invalid just because I'm on the wagon.

[skitter30]

they're not but i think that you/irish are so much more scummy than ahri and make a very viable scumteam to boot
+ if you're both town it shouldn't be nearly this hard to get a wagon on either of you

[Cabd]

Flavor has been added to the day two opening <3

[JacksonVirgo]

jv i can kinda see where you're coming from wrt ahri but i'm not convinced how she's playing is more likely to come from scum than disinterested town

t3 i feel like this vote hop is oppurtunistic and just you switching because jv is pushing ahri and it seems to have more traction atm
i'm really not sure why you're just point-blanc not willing to vote irish

my bet for the scumteam is t3/irish

Disinterested town would not lie about not reading the thread in my honest opinion, can you explain to me why you think it's equally or more likely that it's disinterested town.

[JacksonVirgo]

@jv why exactly is ahri a better vote than t3? i think the scumteam is exactly t3 + irish

Because I don't think they're scum? Andante was fairly townie to me prior to their replacement and nothing T3 has said has made me think otherwise

[skitter30]

i odn't really follow the 'lying' bit tbh
i don' think she's been reading along, she came back to the thread and read the last page or so and saw a discussion about the pr's and was mad

where's the lie.
not sure why that's inherently pointing to scum

i don't know how to explain why i think that disinterested town is more likely so much as i'm unconvinced that the mosst likely explanation is that she's scum
like nothing here can't be explained by disinterested town

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what do you think about the fact that t3 is decidedly not townreading irish but wont' vote them even tho 3 of his townreads were wgoning him on the prior page?

[JacksonVirgo]

I am fairly confident they're either lying or wanting to not be seen as lying about them reading just the last page. Otherwise they would not have put that in their post at all. So either they did read the thread, and said they didn't which makes them scum or they don't want people to think that they read the whole thread so they put more of a defence up and that makes them scum as well. Disinterested town would not add that useless information to back themselves up because... they're disinterested.

Hate to break this to you, but what you just told me wasn't scummy. Not town-reading someone does not inherently mean they're scum-reading them or willing to vote them, they even said they don't want to because there's no information in doing so if I recall correctly, unless I missed something and just because your town-reads are on a wagon, shouldn't change a read on someone except if it's a possible compromise.

If they are scum, why would they not wagon Irish even if that's their buddy. If it's not their buddy, they get a free elimination with no extra information for the Town and if Irish is scum, their flip will make it much harder to eliminate T3 tomorrow and thus an irish wagon there would be beneficial regardless.

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: Ahri

Sure

[JacksonVirgo]

Ahri is now at E-1