Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.10

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-04-21 10:15:00).

execution

Andresvmb [3]:

Asteria, Salsabil Faria, Save The Dragons

VFP [3]:

osuka, PawnsGambit, Andresvmb

Andante [2]:

Green Crayons, Robert M Hunter

PawnsGambit [2]:

VFP, InsidiousLemons

Green Crayons [1]:

Haschel Cedricson

Robert M Hunter [1]:

Andante

Haschel Cedricson [1]:

Anya

not voting [0]:

mod notes

~ salsabil faria is v/la until the 16th

flavour

[Andresvmb]

Scum:
Andresvmb - Still a scumread for 40 and I've been trying to progress that conversation but I've been ignored. I agree with Haschel about 180. I didn't find anything particularly townie in the rest of their iso.

I’m talking about this. I asked some pointed questions back but have not gotten responses yet. It must be because they’re ignoring me even though I’m trying to further the conversation

[Anya]

so asteria wolfreads andres because he didn't get the rvs response joke

i don't think not getting jokes is wolfy and it feels like a flimsy reason to wolfread someone over - could be fabricated in a fabrics shop

VOTE: Asteria

[Andresvmb]

Yeah that. It’s actually Robert who seems to be carrying me as Scum for my first post still.

[Robert M Hunter]

Yeah that. It’s actually Robert who seems to be carrying me as Scum for my first post still.

This is salty enough for me to throw you in the town barrel. Well done, my friend!

[Save The Dragons]

you’ve said something about getting nervous vibes and gut but not much else that i recall. do you have anything you can point at?

Let's see

VOTE: Asteria

I got a check N0 - this is Scum.

Hello all. I intend to try my best and fail to properly solve the game until it’s too late. That’s been the theme for me lately.

@Osuka, good to see you. Let’s try and work together this time, right?

This could be an attempt to come out of the gate loud and attention grabby. Not a huge point against him but it raises my hackles a little. Plus he's buddying up to you and continues to do so in later posts without knowing your alignment if town.

This is going to be a long game isn’t it?

This pings my scumdar. Can't really grasp why. More of a gut read.

At least your reaction seems genuine. We can get it. In fact, we can go after that player that wants more votes on you to start if you want.

Again, why does he trust you so much?

I’m not going to shy away from a fight if that’s what you want.

Confrontational. Like he's trying to stir shit up.

I might have lured the Scum out though. That post 67 seems like Scum who can’t decide which Towny is an easier push.

while Salsa on the other hand is clearly town for taking that push so personally from osuka so i would classify her as a city

Actually as much as it pains me to say it, I kind of agree with this.

Actually this may be a point for him he seems to genuinely update his read

You know what I’ve learned from playing more than a few games around here? The Scum like to control the game state only when they absolutely have to (unless the Scum have a few really seasoned or skilled players, and there’s just not that many players like that out there). If they feel we’re closing in, then they start pushing back. Otherwise? They let the Town eat themselves. The easiest way to avoid that is by getting the harder players to read to either post or die.

Okay I like this

If only I could care as little about helping as this player does. My life would be filled with far less stress.

This is kind of look at me i'm totally town guys

@Green Crayons can you post? What’s going on? You actually tried to stay somewhat involved as Scum last time we played and revealed your alignment somewhat quickly in my eyes. Are you trying to avoid that here?

I mentioned I didn't like this but didn't say why. Again a lot of gut based on tone, but it just seems disingenuous as a way to build a relationship rather than legitimately curious.

Could I be wrong? Sure. Maybe I need to calibrate my read for his playstyle. Or maybe my gut has caught scum. Who knows?

[Save The Dragons]

starting to doubt my town read on Robert

[Save The Dragons]

but i think i'll vote for VOTE: Andante for now i think i may have talked myself out of voting for Andres

[Robert M Hunter]

you default to townreading people? what the fuck???

I will not argue against the wisdom of the legal system; it's "innocent until proven guilty" for good reasons.

Upon seeing more

Anya

posts, I am less confident in my earlier town read; her iso feels like someone spinning her heels.

explain

Green Crayons

' posting is opaque to me, for lack of a better word. I would say... it feels like there's an agenda somewhere, but it's being hidden, resulting in voids in the flow of ideas. How poetic was that?

so... you think this slot is scum? why are you being so soft on gc?

Surprise, I'm (cautiously still) moving

Pawn

out of the litter box into the kitten drawer. I see a whole lot of attention-grabbing terrible logic and cornered animal lashing out. His bad pushes get backlash but he doubles down like a townie instead of letting go like a good little scum.

why does doubling down make him townie? do you think pawn vs lemons is tvt? tvs? svs?

Salsabil Faria.

I have formed an opinion on this player slot but it could be the kind of reason that will get me modkilled.

what the fuck?

I've grown to like

Save The Dragons

as town so I will move this player from "ambiguous" to "kitten."

explain

Re: Anya - my evaluation is subjective and I can only provide more subjective wording. Superficial? Light? Not getting down to the grit? I hope to have more clarity as the game advances.

Re: Green Crayons. Am I really soft? Andante is higher in my scum priorities right now. But point taken, I should harass, bother and annoy Green Crayons more. It's now on my to-do list.

Re: Pawn - doubling down

may

make him more town than scum. I could also say it doesn't make him auto-scum for it. I keep a open mind that this player may have rolled town.

Re: Salsabil - 'nuff said.

Re: STD - gut.

[InsidiousLemons]

Regarding osuka, I certainly have no reason to think they are scum at the moment, so they are a default town read. It's as simple as that. Like any default read, it is open to be revisited if I hear them squeak. In the meantime, I am enjoying their posts.

it is certainly the case that any given player is statistically more likely to be town than scum, but this is a terrible strategy for developing reads. by giving everyone who blends in a pass until they stand out, you allow scum to play the game exactly how they want to. this also still doesn't explain why your strongest scumread is on andante -- once again, your scumread of them depends upon osuka as town, a presumption for which you have offered precisely zero evidence.

you default to townreading people? what the fuck???

I will not argue against the wisdom of the legal system; it's "innocent until proven guilty" for good reasons.

this is dumb as fuck lol

[InsidiousLemons]

you can't have "grown to like" STD and then say "gut" when asked why. are you people allergic to providing specific post numbers? or even any general explanation of the kind of behaviour that makes you lean town on him?

[InsidiousLemons]

going to try and collect my thoughts and post a full readlist tonight

[Haschel Cedricson]

Prod acknowledged. I am at work and about to head on the road so deep dive will come later. Quick note before I go, though:

Like in all honesty I would rather get executed quickly than spend a whole lot of time re-reading this game when I’m getting pushed for entirely bullshit reasons.

"Scum being upset that they are caught for the wrong reasons" is one of my favorite recurring tropes in these games.

Unvote

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[Robert M Hunter]

you can't have "grown to like" STD and then say "gut" when asked why. are you people allergic to providing specific post numbers? or even any general explanation of the kind of behaviour that makes you lean town on him?

I did provide post numbers in earlier posts, so no I am not allergic. I certainly

can

have grown to like a player as town on "gut feeling"

This post https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12706508 comes chronologically after my evaluation but the vote for Andante makes me irrationally happy.

My STD read could absolutely be wrong, so one can say on this DAY 1, it's a

light

town read.

My "strategy for developing reads" does not meet your approval: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12706546 but you are very generous to call it a "strategy." I acknowledge that players town-tell as well, and it's an important aspect of the hunt.

[PawnsGambit]

If Robert thinks everyone is innocent, why does he have so many scumreads?

[Save The Dragons]

do you just hate cats?

[PawnsGambit]

You have a problem with that?

[Save The Dragons]

you're putting more effort crucifying robert than pushing your vote

so i'm wondering if you're just allergic to cats or something i dunno

[Save The Dragons]

why exactly did you think VFP was scummy again?

[PawnsGambit]

Osuka is one of the most townish players in the game and VFP has been attacking him.

[PawnsGambit]

unfortunately I only have one vote.

[Save The Dragons]

do you have anything else on VFP?

[PawnsGambit]

He likes cats.

[PawnsGambit]

Also, he OMGUS'd me.

[Asteria]

@Andres, please tell me why you took that post so seriously:

Why are you stuck on an early post that doesn’t really mean much? So I mistakenly assumed a vote was more serious than it was, realized the error of my ways and moved on. What’s the big deal?

Big deal is you overreacted to it like you're overreacting to my questioning of it here