Micro 1005: Help Isis, Scholarship Student at Noon

[SirCakez]

HURT: Andres
HEAL: Sha

I think I'll start here

[Alisae]

Ydra didn't pick you only Sha did

[SirCakez]

i actually do think i feel okay with alisae being included on a team even if e doesn't trust me, i wanna throw them in w me

so it'd be (for me)

ydrasse/tris/infinity/alisae/?

I like this comp
I still have qualms with Alisae but not enough to reject this
I feel pretty good about Ydra, Infinity, Tris

In fact both the Attacker and the Healer Leaders picked Alisae for their respective Teams. Why is that the one choice you’re looking to exclude?

Andres I'm not sure why you're being like this. I don't think alisae is obvious town and I explained my reasoning, I also would be ok having alisae in a team this is a pretty ??? reason to think I'm scum

You wanted to exclude me, and Alisae. I’m Town, I think Alisae is Town. More often than not, that means you’re Scum. This shouldn’t be so hard to grasp.

this is hot garbage

[SirCakez]

Ydra didn't pick you only Sha did

I just said both because I forgot who picked heal and who picked attackers

[SirCakez]

Andres' attacks on Infinity just seem so made up and scum motivated

[Flea The Magician]

not sure why I was picked given apparently both Ydra and Sha SR me?

Mood though, we fully expected to be given a PT xD

[Alisae]

Cakez if you don't stop playing like garbage with comments like "this is hot garbage" "Andres' attacks on Infinity just seem so made up and scum motivated" I'm actually going to get really irritated because I can't tell if ur just town who wants to play badly and wants to beat their own drum or scum or scum.
None of your posts actually address the why.
- Why is this hot garbage
- Why does andres' attacks seem made up
- Why do you hate Sha's reaction in 135? Why was their opening tonally weird?
- Why do you think Sha is scum? Nothing in between the post where you called out 135 and 397 really explains it
- Why do you think that them trying to ferret their way into my read on them is scum indicative when it seems like from a general skim they're just asking you questions because you're so fucking obtuse? Is this not what they're doing?
- Everything in here is fucking garbage

My observations were exaggerated and memes lol, not serious at all

Maybe the only one that was serious is the Flea self-conscious observation

I already talked about this but this post felt tonally off, too worried about perception of themself

The tone was faked, Cakezy

What do you hate about that reaction? You think those observations were serious?

Immediately dives on me to try to get me to change my mind

I like the Ydrasse/tris/Sha townbloc, and honestly, I think Ali's suspicions come from a place of good faith too

really hate this attempt to declare a townblock

Why is what gross, Cakez? Why aren't I just town who's happy with a townbloc that has me and someone who's likely town in it?

Immediately dives on me to try to get me to change my mind, again. I believe I'm the only one expressing suspicion of Sha too.

I don't know I can't point to many specific posts on ISO. but I just don't like the tone of many posts. it feels a little too "un-serious" in a very intentional and manufactured way. as opposed to Pooky's whose silliness I buy more.

Like actually what the fuck is going on here

1. How does "I already talked about this but this post felt tonally off, too worried about perception of themself" and then "The tone was faked, Cakezy" not refute the concern here.
2. How the fuck is "What do you hate about that reaction? You think those observations were serious?" him trying to get you to change your mind. ITS A FUCKING QUESTION.
3. "really hate this attempt to declare a townblock" WHO FUCKING CARES. LITERALLY COMES FROM ANY ALIGNMENT
4. "Why is what gross, Cakez? Why aren't I just town who's happy with a townbloc that has me and someone who's likely town in it?" HOW THE FUCK IS THIS TRYING TO GET CAKEZ TO CAHNGE HIS MIND IT'S JUST ASKING HIM WHY THE FUCK HE'S DOING THAT BECAUSE CAKEZ WON'T EXPLAIN ANYTHING AND REFUSES TO BE TRANSPARENT. HE'S ASKING YOU WHY SO THAT ITS EASIER TO SORT WHAT ALIGNMENT IS MISREADING HIM. HOW IS THIS HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN SOMEONE ASKS SOMEONE WHY, ITS NOT TO CHANGE THEIR FUCKING MIND, ITS TO FUCKING EXPLAIN THEMSELVES

- STILL NOTHING ON WHY ANDRES IS SCUMMY BTW
- AND NOTHING WHY ME PUMPING UP ANDRES IS SUS EITHER


I don't understand how any of the above actually happens btw.

[Alisae]

Also how the fuck does someone look at "My observations were exaggerated and memes lol, not serious at all" and reach the conclusion that they're too worried about perception of themself. How does that actually happen.

[Alisae]

Like I'm malding I don't know I don't get it ig

[Alisae]

This probably happens if you think that you'll catch scum by finding people who do "scummy" things and then define what is "scummy" by what you think scum will do/not do or what you can't (and refuse to try to) understand and not what they're actually doing.

[Infinity 324]

Ali I thought I had a tell on you that would make you town here but then you made that cakez post :/

[SirCakez]

Cakez if you don't stop playing like garbage with comments like "this is hot garbage" "Andres' attacks on Infinity just seem so made up and scum motivated" I'm actually going to get really irritated because I can't tell if ur just town who wants to play badly and wants to beat their own drum or scum or scum.

I ALWAYS PLAY LIKE THIS
nothing has changed!!!!!!

[SirCakez]

- Why is this hot garbage
- Why does andres' attacks seem made up
- Why do you hate Sha's reaction in 135? Why was their opening tonally weird?
- Why do you think Sha is scum? Nothing in between the post where you called out 135 and 397 really explains it
- Why do you think that them trying to ferret their way into my read on them is scum indicative when it seems like from a general skim they're just asking you questions because you're so fucking obtuse? Is this not what they're doing?
- Everything in here is fucking garbage

Half of these don't even have answers/have already been answered
ex; Andres' attacks seem scum motivated because Infinity is very likely town and thus scum need to make room for well scum. Not rocket science.
I talked about why Sha is scum
I'm not even addressing the other stuff here

[SirCakez]

I'm not gonna engage someone who is just screaming and ranting

[Andresvmb]

ex; Andres' attacks seem scum motivated because Infinity is very likely town and thus scum need to make room for well scum. Not rocket science.

This is just a flip version of my very argument.

So why is Infinity very likely Town? And why couldn’t I just be wrong and Town? You’re just basically parroting the same wrong view all game and seem to get all dismissive when challenged. Well, answer.

[SirCakez]

our arguments are similar but I have reason for scumreading you outside of this interaction
I found most of your posts day 1 to be pretty scummy. I don't understand why you're so latched to Alisae. Your argument calling me overconfident was nonsensical. You did very little scumhunting outside of interactions with Alisae and I.

[Andresvmb]

I found most of your posts day 1 to be pretty scummy.

Okay but why? I’m town and you’re wrong. So I want to understand if you’re just being insistent and Town, or actively trying to sabotage my positioning in the game.

[Andresvmb]

Your argument calling me overconfident was nonsensical. You did very little scumhunting outside of interactions with Alisae and I.

Except you are overconfident. You make pronouncements with little in the form of actual quotes and analysis. Which is fine some players play that way and don’t provide detailed explanations I don’t necessarily care for them either to be honest. But your entire view of the game seems dependent on me being Scum and if you’re going to insist on that narrative you’re going to cost us dearly. Because I know that excluding me there is not likely to win the game quickly.

But you know, in a way, if I get excluded and the game doesn’t end, then that helps me tremendously because if I were Scum, the odds that both my Partner and I are picked by a Town Leader are not super high. More often than not there’s only 1 Scum in a pool picked by a Town player.

[Andresvmb]

And why do I have to be latched onto Alisae? Why can’t I just be right about a read? You seem to think only your reads are worth considering, and everybody else’s are either bad or coming from Scum with knowledge.

[Andresvmb]

I’ll point out that the minute that I made an argument for Infinity potentially being Scum, their contributions have shrunk dramatically. And now they’re hinting at Alisae being Scum without coming out and saying it. That doesn’t seem interesting to you?

[Infinity 324]

Andres why do you TR alisae?

[Andresvmb]

Andres why do you TR alisae?

Why is this directed at only me? Both Sha 77 and Ydrasse actively decided to put them in their Teams in a way that actually impacts the game. I just have a read. It’s mostly based on the fact that Alisae has read me correctly, and I agree with most of their views, and think I’ve been open. I am trying to figure out what I think about the frustration shown when they flipped out at Cakez to be honest - I think that can be easily faked. That escalation also in a way puts me in a situation where I feel like I have to defend them (since it’s against someone SR’ing me) and if Alisae is Scum, that’s a great way to maintain a pocket. But if that was the strategy it’s been the case since very early since they’ve voted to heal me for the first and the second slots, despite not getting any traction, and I don’t get what the benefit of all that was from a Scum!Alisae perspective.

[Andresvmb]

I’ve been open.

They’ve*

For example, by sharing games and actively trying to get you for instance to read them properly.

[Andresvmb]

I mean yeah I can be active and loud but I’ve been mostly sidelined here and none of my preferred choices or courses of action have gotten much attention. I’m very much in the fringe here.

[Andresvmb]

This push is probably towny for you though tbf

I would also like to understand this a little more. You’re implying here that I tend to be wrong as Town, or at least hinting at that. So why is Cakez so convinced I have to be Scum if I’m wrong about you?