Micro 1005: Help Isis, Scholarship Student at Noon

[Infinity 324]

I guess so, but what is the downside from eir perspective as scum to heal someone like you? It probably wasn't going to get traction. If you're town, I don't think you're necessarily pocketed but you might be biased towards ali because e's been on your side so to speak. Like I don't think your reasoning warrants the strength of townread that you're giving.

Hectic and ydrasse have expressed their reasons for TRing ali, and I'm pretty confident ydrasse is town whereas hectic I'm probably going to sort via meta rather than direct questioning.

You seem to have felt somewhat similarly to me about ali's cakez post, so it's odd to me that you would call me scum from that. I actually don't see a ton of scum motivation in ali's play, but I have too many townreads and I'm trying to put pressure on the reads rather than writing people off as town.

If I'm town, who's scum in the attacker block?

[Infinity 324]

This push is probably towny for you though tbf

I would also like to understand this a little more. You’re implying here that I tend to be wrong as Town, or at least hinting at that. So why is Cakez so convinced I have to be Scum if I’m wrong about you?

I'm not saying you're towny because you're wrong, but the push felt very town-leadery. Like you're trying to form a bloc and pushing against people who don't agree with it, which is in character for town!you I think.

[Andresvmb]

You seem to have felt somewhat similarly to me about ali's cakez post, so it's odd to me that you would call me scum from that.

I didn’t call you Scum for that. Alisae’s reaction happened after I had signaled I thought you were Scum based on the fact that you were trying to exclude one of Alisae or me.

[Infinity 324]

And now they’re hinting at Alisae being Scum without coming out and saying it.

This is what I meant by calling me scum for it, it's kind of implied

[Andresvmb]

This push is probably towny for you though tbf

I would also like to understand this a little more. You’re implying here that I tend to be wrong as Town, or at least hinting at that. So why is Cakez so convinced I have to be Scum if I’m wrong about you?

I'm not saying you're towny because you're wrong, but the push felt very town-leadery. Like you're trying to form a bloc and pushing against people who don't agree with it, which is in character for town!you I think.

So you think I could be Town for pushing you, primarily because I’m trying to sort amongst those in one of the groups to try and get a win (and btw I’m going to agree that Ydrasse is more likely to be Town than Sha so my strong preference is to pick from there). Yet Sir Cakez has the exact opposite reaction. So why do you seem to be questioning me but giving SirCakez a pass?

[Andresvmb]

And now they’re hinting at Alisae being Scum without coming out and saying it.

This is what I meant by calling me scum for it, it's kind of implied

I straight up called you Scum earlier. You didn’t do it for Alisae. If you have a position, state it. Don’t be so skittish about it.

[Andresvmb]

Hectic and ydrasse have expressed their reasons for TRing ali

And this not in much detail. I definitely had some follow up questions that have yet to be addressed.

[Infinity 324]

Wrt cakez, what do you mean the opposite reaction? He at least posted thoughts about what he wanted to do with the groups. I don't particularly townread cakez but I'm also more focused on the people in the groups atm.

[Infinity 324]

And now they’re hinting at Alisae being Scum without coming out and saying it.

This is what I meant by calling me scum for it, it's kind of implied

I straight up called you Scum earlier. You didn’t do it for Alisae. If you have a position, state it. Don’t be so skittish about it.

If I had a strong position on ali, you'd know

[Andresvmb]

Wrt cakez, what do you mean the opposite reaction? He at least posted thoughts about what he wanted to do with the groups. I don't particularly townread cakez but I'm also more focused on the people in the groups atm.

SirCakez is in Sha’s group. And they think my attack on you is Scum motivated and hot garbage. Are you not reading their posts?

[Andresvmb]

Wrt cakez, what do you mean the opposite reaction? He at least posted thoughts about what he wanted to do with the groups. I don't particularly townread cakez but I'm also more focused on the people in the groups atm.

SirCakez is in Sha’s group. And they think my attack on you is Scum motivated and hot garbage. Are you not reading their posts?

Do you mean to say that you’re more focused on Ydrasse’s group?

[Andresvmb]

If I had a strong position on ali, you'd know

It doesn’t have to be strong but if we’re going to go for excluding someone in Ydrasse’s group, I would want to see some solid reasoning for it. If it’s me so be it.

[Infinity 324]

Yeah I'm focused on ydrasse's group atm

I get that cakez strongly disliked and scumread your push on me, but that doesn't mean one of you has to be town and the other is scum. My read on you is based on specifically how I've seen you in the past and how you approached the push, cakez SRing you is whatever and not super AI imo

PEdit: fair enough, my hurt on ali wasn't final though and I'm still figuring stuff out

[Andresvmb]

My read on you is based on specifically how I've seen you in the past and how you approached the push, cakez SRing you is whatever and not super AI imo

You think I’m Town, and you see someone calling my positioning in the game hot garbage, voting to exclude me from the Team, and you don’t think it’s AI? So then what is?

[Sha 77]

Back

[Infinity 324]

My read on you is based on specifically how I've seen you in the past and how you approached the push, cakez SRing you is whatever and not super AI imo

You think I’m Town, and you see someone calling my positioning in the game hot garbage, voting to exclude me from the Team, and you don’t think it’s AI? So then what is?

I feel like we have very differently philosophies about this game, I focus a lot more on whether someone's play feels in character for them/whether they're tonally off

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am deeply hurt you did not pick me Hectic

[Infinity 324]

Pooky do you have reads

[Sha 77]

Alright, so overnight, in light of the grand decision I had to make, I reread the game and Andres sort of just felt like obvscum to me. I had a lot of issues with the reasoning for his reads and his tone, so I just looked for his partner for the second person to exclude

tris and Infinity were always in for being towny, and had no bad associations with Andres

Alisae is townish, but pushed to heal Andres. Normally I'd say a push like that would actually be -partnerindicative, but for Alisae I'm not sure, since e loves to play to scum agenda as scum

Andres pushes to heal Flea in a really strange way and 481 makes me believe scum!Andres is telling the truth here in that he wouldn't push a partner in this fashion

Andres pushes Cakez in a pretty bad way and not a way that looks like some light bussing, I also don't like the reasoning there (will go into this more later probably)

Andres and Pooky don't mention each at all for the entire game, not even once...

So I left Pooky out on the assumption Andres was scum, since I was basically trying to find the full solve overnight. Okay, now to reread Andres and why I thought he was so scummy overnight and see if I still feel that way

pedit: I'm sorry, Pooky, you were simply null to me and it was mostly for the above reasons I did. Also, I had a feeling Ydrasse would pick you because you're Pooky, and this way it gives us more options

[Andresvmb]

My read on you is based on specifically how I've seen you in the past and how you approached the push, cakez SRing you is whatever and not super AI imo

You think I’m Town, and you see someone calling my positioning in the game hot garbage, voting to exclude me from the Team, and you don’t think it’s AI? So then what is?

I feel like we have very differently philosophies about this game, I focus a lot more on whether someone's play feels in character for them/whether they're tonally off

Scum need to make sure that one of their own makes it into the volleyball Team. Positioning around it is definitely key here. And it’ll help solve the game down the line if we get it wrong. How can you just brush all of that off?

It’s not even a difference in philosophies I don’t think. I of course take tone and emotion into account. I think that unless you’ve read a lot of my games, arguing from meta might be a bit hard to do, actually. How do you know that my tone here is not in line with my Scum game if you’ve never read a game with Scum!me or seen me play Scum? How do you know I don’t try to play the role of leader as Scum too? The answer is you don’t. So I’m not sure how you can make any determination about my alignment applying what you’re saying. We’ve only played once together before.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sure lemme make a really cool readlist for you

[Sha 77]

Andres is not posting because he's not confident in his scumgame

Or maybe I was busy around MY BIRTHDAY haha

To be honest, I think my Scum game is kind of decent. Not great, but decent. It’s a shame this is my 12th consecutive game rolling Town. What the hell man.

This was the first post that pinged me. Making sure to mention the fact this was his 12th game in a row rolling town, and the "what the hell man" at the end especially reads very off

@Andres:

Did you mention your town streak in the 10th or 11th game you rolled town?

[Andresvmb]

@Andres: Did you mention your town streak in the 10th or 11th game you rolled town?

You’ve already made up your kind so why do you care? Ask some of the players that have played with me see what they say. Or you can go read my games.

If you actually care about the answer, it’s actually yes. Repeatedly. Talked about it at length.

[Andresvmb]

made up your kind

*made up your mind

[Infinity 324]

Scum need to make sure that one of their own makes it into the volleyball Team. Positioning around it is definitely key here. And it’ll help solve the game down the line if we get it wrong. How can you just brush all of that off?

The thing is that cakez has barely any influence in this gamestate and I don't think scum!him would expect a push on you to work that well, I think scum!cakez's plan here if his buddy is not in a great position is just to try to look town

I agree that I don't know you well enough to make a confident character judgement, but sometimes staying in your town character can be difficult as scum and I skimmed a scumgame of yours where you were quite different. I thought it was worth pointing out, I'm not 100% confident that you're town here but your push on me here feels towny