okay, phew. took me several hours but i went through everyone's ISOs and have developed what i feel is a readlist that represents my gut feelings and reasoning well. i reordered these after writing them in slot-order, so forgive me if i reference minor points about other players before they appear in the list. in rough order, from most townest to most scummestest:
Osuka
: the person infamously responsible for over 1/4 of all posts thus far.
184 and
185 are good. i like their response to VFP's analysis of their ISO in
312 and
313. their varied discussions with other players, generally speaking, feel like those of a player who is trying to determine alignment rather than looking to confirm what they already "suspect". see their early-game conversations with andres, discussion with STD from
323 onwards, etc.
461 bothers me a little bit, since without daytalk i don't really see how osuka actually
could
coach pawns like they're talking about.
encrypting multishot mafia doc, anyone?
i could almost see this as veiled anger at pawns -- "do you seriously think i'm that stupid?" could be read as an indirect dig at scumbuddy pawns. does anybody else pick up anything from this or am i getting too WIFOM? going to keep a close eye on this slot to prevent the potential for complacency, but despite minor gut pings, osuka is probably my strongest townread so far.
Andresvmb
: the opening few posts have the energy to me of someone who, rather than being scum looking to pocket town!osuka, is leaving a rather heated and disappointing game and is hoping really hard that this one might be a bit less so. skimming through
their last played game, particularly the end of day 4 when osuka was lynched, reveals this to be pretty much the case. i'm going to call their early "pocketing" attempts NAI. imo much of their early-game hostility can likely be attributed to this. i'm a little disquieted by the phrase "let [osuka] stay in the game", for similar reasons as why i disliked andante's reluctance to put pressure on the same player. the wording is not my fav, but it doesn't bother me enough to belabour it. the logic in
180 for their early townread of osuka is ok to me.
187 does bother me, because i don't like self-meta and i especially don't like i-suck-at-scum-here's-my-scumtells self-meta. i like
215 as well, apart from more self-meta. i think this was pointed out by osuka at the time as well. posts like
340 and
342 indicate to me an intent to keep pushing and questioning various players. they don't seem to be as unwilling to converse as Asteria would like to paint them to be. their recent posts have been marked by frustration at getting voted, but my gut tells me it's a genuine reaction to what does feel to me like a pretty stale push at this point. overall i'm okay with andres as town for now.
Save The Dragons
: slight town read, but not a ton to go off. there is a confidence and an ease in his posts that makes me feel okay about him, though i imagine that confidence and ease is also sort of part and parcel with nearly 17 years on this site.
354 and
356 are good posts. so is
530. their push on pawns felt measured and, as with osuke, like it comes from the position of someone trying to gather information that is generally helpful to the town rather than specifically helpful to their case. i enjoy playing with people who answer questions directly and succinctly, so i may be somewhat biased. sue me.
Green Crayons
: again, few posts to go on, but the ones that are there feel okay to me. this is one of my more gut-based reads but crayons leans very slightly town for me. still, much of their ISO reads as posting to post, such as the comment in
396. i would like if they posted more because they make decent observations in posts like
347. i get the sense that this player has more to contribute than they are offering up.
Anya
: hard to say, but slight townlean. i don't hate anya's omgus vote on me as much as others seem to. i feel like scum finds a proper counterattack whereas that post (
387) feels more like yawning townie confidence than scum backlash. i don't agree with the townread in
510 but the logic is honestly acceptable to me. much gut involved here but anya is actually looking a bit more town as the game goes on. i don't dislike her most recent posts.
Andante
: upon rereading,
88 kinda pings weirdly for me. why is she so concerned about putting a 4th vote on osuka less than 100 posts into the game? "I kinda like them here" -- already? why? not like you're going to take them out that early anyway. i keep changing my mind on how her piss-poor reaction to robert's accusations reads, but i think i'm going to stick with my initial noobtown analysis until we see some more interaction between these players.
359 also sucks.
388, though, feels like genuine noobtown wordvomit from someone who is nervous and doesn't understand the game very well yet. i say this because it's painfully similar to how i played my first couple of town games here. the suggestion that scum might try to pocket one of their own buddies is a confusing one to me, but again (call me crazy), reads more like noobtown thinking out loud and smashing the submit button than scum floundering. there's no question they respond terribly to being pressured, though. i'm eager to see how they reenter this thread. slight gut townlean, but i'm not opposed to the idea that this slot could be filthy scum. still not the best D1 elim to me
Haschel Cedricson
: only 10 posts to go on, which even of itself makes me a bit apprehensive. i'm always wary of people who have a desire to sit back and watch. something about asking osuka to "dial it down" in
222 also rubs me the wrong way, though while i disagree with their assessment of
180, i don't think their reasoning is particularly flawed. to this point the posts osuka had been making were pretty good imo. posting a lot is only bad if it's with an aim to steer the conversation away from certain topics, and osuka didn't seem to be doing that. moreover, if you're going to ask that someone leave room for others to speak, maybe start by filling that space with contributions of your own. as someone else mentioned, haschel's posts only really seem to contain idle questions and, occasionally, a weak followup. still null for now.
Salsabil Faria
: no game-related posts since their blowup, which to me feels ever-so-slightly more likely to have come from town than scum. can't really put my finger on why, but i would kind of think scum makes an appeal to others about osuka's impoliteness here rather than going for the throat. until they come back from v/la, this slot stays null.
Asteria
: very little of note until
395. i feel really off for some reason about their response to robert's entrance in that post -- i could see their lack of activity up to this point as scum feeling demoralized that their buddy let their role pm expire. i am likely reading too much into this but it does give me pause. defending robert in
552, which didn't concern asteria at all, after the person to whom the question was addressed had already responded pretty much the same thing, is bad. basing townreads off of shared readlists, based on the assumption that this at all indicates a shared "town mindset", is bad. asteria's only real activity so far has been a lacklustre readlist and endless pressing of the same early-game point on andres, which he's already responded to. whether they're satisfied with that response or not, there are more important things to be focusing energy on right now, and you don't have to push one player to the exclusion of talking about almost anything else. despite all this, i have to admit that on a gut level, their crusade against andres feels more like town tunnel vision than anything else. slight scumlean
Robert M Hunter
: first read list in
276 was just... weird. robert later stands by this as a 100% honest post, which makes very little sense to me.
* osuka is too funny to be town
* haschel is scum for an rvs vote
* asteria is town for responding to a joke on page 2
* pawns is scum for [links to pawns' profile]
...the list goes on. it just doesn't make any sense, and all of the reads i directly called out as nonsensical before were never explained or backed up.
351 is a flimsy and unsolicited defense of VFP. as crayons mentions in
399, you can't choose who suspects you. the answer to "why latch onto osuka" is as simple as "osuka was the one pressing them". this is not a difficult leap of logic to make. the
449 readlist is better than the first, but it still presents quite a number of issues. i outline most of my problems with it in
455. the whole "talking about salsa could get me modkilled" still makes approximately zero sense to me. if you're not going to elaborate, why even say anything?
In post 538, Robert M Hunter wrote: In post 535, InsidiousLemons wrote:are you people allergic to providing specific post numbers? or even any general explanation of the kind of behaviour that makes you lean town on him?
I did provide post numbers in earlier posts, so no I am not allergic.
when? unless i'm missing something, your piss-poor page-12 readlist is the last time i saw you link or directly reference the number of another post to justify a read on anyone.
VFP
: 234 and 239 are terrible. if you truly have spent years on this site as you say in
245 then you have got to know why you don't post shit like "i'm going to coast until someone tells me who to vote for." i agree with whoever said (save the dragons, maybe?) that scum probably finds something to pin on osuka in
275, but a lack of ability to come up with something halfway convincing in that department is not particularly AI to me either. the bad sorting of posts that are not filler into filler categories is also indicative to me of shallow reading of osuka's ISO and quick post composition. on the whole 275 is not a good post. posts like 297, 302 aren't bad, but don't feel especially convincing to me. i actually don't hate
341, but their continued insistence that so many of osuka's worthwhile posts constitute filler does make me wonder whether they're just not bothering to read into them or if it's something more. scum just hoping people take their claims at face value? it's strange that after going after osuka for so long, in
408 they pivot to the assumption that osuka is town in order to further their push on pawns. VFP changing their mind after writing out their thoughts on osuka, or scum attacking whoever seems easy to target? this question is made thornier by the fact that it's giving me trouble to try and reconcile VFP and pawns as the same alignment, despite the fact that individually they're both looking fairly scummy to me right now.
PawnsGambit
: i've mostly outlined my reasons for this scumread, but to sum up: most of this player's game has consisted of gadfly-ish questions with little of substance to follow them up, and either answering questions directed at them with questions of their own or else outright ignoring them. the flip from this:
to this:
--feels like an acknowledgement that their argument in 425 doesn't hold water. they're smarter than that, and they know it, so they don't attempt to back up what is transparently one of numerous failed attempts at changing the topic to robert. scum as a plum
also:
@VFP, you never elaborated on this:
In post 382, VFP wrote:
Anya strikes me as an easy player to read as the day goes on.
what makes you say so?
