Mini Normal 2196 - Game Over

[clidd]

I also wanted to see more from the slot before actively advocating an elimination.

[VFP]

I recently replaced into a game that is over now.
I took over a scum slot during the night and was shot so I didn't get to post in game. However, Titus was also scum and was the lim the day before I was shot.

In the Mafia chat Titus had already given up and wanted to forfeit the game. Pooky was the other scum who actually almost won the game.
So the fact that Titus has given up here just gives me the exact same vibes from that game.

Game was Envoys of Entrapy by Gamma.

[clidd]

I couldn't find it by name, can you post the link? ^

[VFP]

Sorry the name was wrong.
The game is
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85398

[VFP]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=85782

This was the mafia chat

[clidd]

Town!Titus would have read my interactions with Gera and came to the conclusion that the chance of T|S was low.

I don't read upon subbing in. To hold me to that standard is scummy.

-

You expect me to read a game when subbing in?

You know you have tried to crumb to me specifically in games and had it fail. Mbos comes to mind.

I don't have a problem with you doing due diligence but this is a stretch.

Titus was Dexter,

Mafia Jack Of All trades

Spoiler:

"

I am locked in a continuum of cartoon fools! I am doomed to a life of comic mishap adventures and social indignations!

"

Welcome,

chkflip

! You are

Dexter, Child Genius

, and you are a

Mafia Jack-of-all-Trades

.

You have a number of inventions you think are quite useful. They are:

Sticky-Web Gun (Roleblocker) which ensnares the target in a web preventing them from acting, Stink Grenade (Rolestopper) whic makes the target so smelly no one will target them that night, Handheld Portal Device (Bus Driver) which places portals at the doorways of two people making those who target one visit the other, and Portable Spotlight (Toreador) which causes the target to be unable to look away from you, causing any visiting actions they have to target you

.

You win when the mafia outnumber the town, or nothing can prevent it.

---

Yeah, of course, Titus.

[clidd]

Mafia chat isn't visible yet.

But I'm fine with a vote for now:

VOTE: Titus

[clidd]

a win condition has been reached !

Spoiler:

the town has won !

By the way, that game ended some time ago (10+ days), but you're only mentioning it now. Is there a particular reason or you just forgot about it?

[clidd]

Hum.. Actually, doesn't matter. I think I know the answer.

[clidd]

Titus has been suffering from dismay in relation to MS, so I wouldn't be surprised if apathy is nai, but the non-processing (or neglect) of important facts in the game that could enable a reassessment are well embedded in her scum-range (at least according to the game that Vfp showed).

[clidd]

Spoiler:

Grendel seems to be doing mass spew. Throw out so much content that we can't determine who is scum with him. It won't work though.

The VCA is unfortunately garbage. None of the leading wagons were flipped. Jake was a speed wagon. I'd plug a guess at Uncrowned scum but Grendel is in a bus position on Marky Mark too.

Math would you be willing to check my biggest VCA suspect to help me out if scum kill Misty and not you? It's a long shot to say we'll both be alive so you can get your result to me, but I'm just asking here.

You’re a VCA player without a VCA on scum Grendel.

Titus give us a reason you shouldn’t be vigged if vig isn’t Grendel.

Grendel's pushing me as scum for not falling for his bait.
I don't upsell my VCA. I follow it when I can, but I'll never say VCA shows something when I don't believe it to be true.

I am working on reads but if I get vigged them's the breaks.

Im at a point where i dont know what correct play is for me here and am just hanging out to see what consensus thinks i should do/ what should be done.

This just feels like survivalism on the part of scum. He's trying not to offend people so they leash him.

We remove threats to town. Math got a guilty result.

This isn't rocket science.

I need to focus to find out who the scum are but two scum kpn is exactly what scum need to get through the obvtown we have here. They will fight to keep Grendel alive and turn attention to lurking town.

VOTE: Grendel

KISS

Non loyal targeting
A counterclaim

Let's conveniently overlook the otherwise unexplained second death and 8v3 info from misty that makes that less likely to be SK.

Grendel scum vig then

Go figure I get miselimmed over a freaking guilty.

Any last reads?

Grendel is scum. Probably Jesse slot too. Maybe Pooky for hammering before I could claim.

My action was copping Math. I had a doc tracker and watcher left.

In this sequence, for example, she just omgus the person scumreading her and never let it go ^

[clidd]

Grendel seems to be doing mass spew. Throw out so much content that we can't determine who is scum with him. It won't work though.

And this excerpt, specifically, is similar to the highlighted part below:

It feels like Flea is trying to make me vote faer for some reason.

Why do you feel like that?

"instead or asking what is clidd's read on flea, or what flea's read is on clidd, let me ask something that it won't help me sort clidd to create a spark"

FOr example this is a legitimate question I'm interested in seeing and answer to, and your non-response is bad faith smoke and mirrors.

Like I said, I have many ways of playing my games.

Do you think everything I'm saying about your slot is invented from a scum perspective?

I think you're just dodging my questions

and digging up random stuff from my prior slot holder to see what can stick

knowing that I'd have zero idea what they were thinking.

In the sense that in both situations she's not impartially analyzing the motivation of the expressed content and checking whether it makes more sense to come from town or scum, but rather cataloging it in a generic way as if the spam, that is, the amount, by itself, was a scummy thing (which is also a way of indirectly neglecting things that could lead to a reassessment of the accuser's alignment).

[clidd]

My guess is that the intention would probably be to give the idea that if you are town, the expectation is that other towns will be able to identify your slot as town, when in reality this is not how a town mentality works. Town can also have incorrect reads and scumread town, not just scum. So it's important to understand where the other person is coming from when a read is announced (regardless of whether the read is correct or not), which is clearly not what Titus did here and in that scumgame.

[clidd]

Spoiler:

20ish Clidd posts in a row. Not reading that shit ever.

It feels like clidd is just cornered scum and that's why he's a broken record.

I would expect scum to have PRs with all the claims on the table.
I would also expect the scum to take a no bus position here. If all the PR claims are true, then scum need every role to deal with them and outlast the clears. If the claims are false, then scum likely already took the no bus position and feel rather weak on dayplay.

I think we just win if we nail a scum today.

there doesn't so far seem any interference from scum in any of the roles, everyone has said their actions have gone through i believe. which makes me think that either scum have a role/ability that screws with our PRs, or else they PRs aren't all they appear to be.

scum don't need to screw with the PRs because the PRs aren't very strong to begin with.

the gunsmiths are gated and have 6 "guilty" results and half of them are town
the neapolitian has 7 "guilty" results and 4 of them are town.
the detective is novice, can really only nail one of the scum so he's only useful if he goes long into the game but even then probably won't get a useful result.
the psychologist is a one shot and they only get a hit on 2/12 players?

Like there's really no reason to give the scum any powers to counter any of this, it's fairly balanced as claimed.

Someone should vote Flea or Clidd.

I would, but I'm already voting Clidd and weakly TR flea.

Maybe it's just as simple as 1 of
Titus / Gera/ Flea
Clidd / Gera/ Flea

Not sure on Gera, as I haven't seen their posts yet but Flea is likely wrong given Clidd's panic spam.

Yup still Clidd posting 7-8ish posts in a row without interacting with anyone. Good with my vote.

Clidd posted much sparser in Nancy Drew and actually interacted when he did post.

It feels like Flea is trying to make me vote faer for some reason.

Why do you feel like that?

"instead or asking what is clidd's read on flea, or what flea's read is on clidd, let me ask something that it won't help me sort clidd to create a spark"

FOr example this is a legitimate question I'm interested in seeing and answer to, and your non-response is bad faith smoke and mirrors.

Like I said, I have many ways of playing my games.

Do you think everything I'm saying about your slot is invented from a scum perspective?

I think you're just dodging my questions and digging up random stuff from my prior slot holder to see what can stick knowing that I'd have zero idea what they were thinking.

@Clidd, Just because I am not reading your spam =/= no intent to understand. What you're doing now shows much more about your intent to read my slot than any individual post does.

I already have a weak TR on Flea and a would flip but for strategy reasons on Pooky and that's despite your spam. I like VFP trying too but I wouldn't say I have a read there yet.

The point is that you have not reacted properly in the way I imagine town!Titus would act after seeing the growing number of my posts denigrating the image of her predecessor.

Even your recent answer seems fake to me.

This is caged scum saying nothing. No response would ever fit the definition of town!Titus for you.

You mean that I have you as a caged scum in my mind and nothing you do is actually going to change my view?

No. That you're caged scum and therefore would say that regardless. There is a rare chance of town you flail spamming, but I don't see it given your utter lack of sorting anyone else since I got here.

More precisely, how would he deal with Amélie being scummy to him? just ignore?

Use my reactions to other slots to sort them. Talk about my hypothetical teammates. Anything to show you're looking at the whole game as opposed to making noise.

Right now, you give me every reason to vote you and not a single reason to save you or reconsider my initial Flea read.

I'm leaning clidd as the busser.

Town!Titus would have read my interactions with Gera and came to the conclusion that the chance of T|S was low.

I don't read upon subbing in. To hold me to that standard is scummy.

Yep, I'm happy with my vote atm.

[Not_Mafia]

Titus has been prodded

[clidd]

It is quite late here but since Clidd requested my presence, I'm here. Nothing in the game has changed much since I last checked in except that I might drop geraint and I'm worried about RLotus town reading me.

Geraint's doesn't seem like he believes in the push he is making on me. He feels like he knows I'm town and is constantly thinking about ways to scum read me in his long and wordy posts that really are just saying things that could be summed up in three sentences. I don't see a reason for scum Lotus to not just hammer me at E-1 but I also don't see why town Lotus would townread me

. In my last game with Lotus, they barely had a read on me. I have been getting more and more certain clidd is town because of how he has been actually thinking. When I was scum, I didn't think before I posted whereas as town I spend time thinking about what and why I have certain reads. I reconsider and think more. Clidd's reads have changed naturally and he has taken the time and effort to meta players. I think he is most likely town. If there is a town cop, I strongly encourage they target me tonight because I will become a more and more likely mislim as the game progresses especially given my lack of time currently.

I still strongly believe Gretchen is scum and I think no other wagon is better than that one

. I'll post an updated reads list tomorrow morning.

Oh, and one last post from Amélie that I'm going to quote ^

Besides always having a pattern of scumreading more than one person on her posts (she had the entire pl as a sl/sr at some point during the game, probably to avoid associatives), she also did a description abou Gera that I have no idea on how town!she would think that WITHOUT voting him. Honestly.

Anyways, that's it.

[clidd]

I mean, it feels like Amélie was tming Gera as a scumread there just because other people was starting to suspect him, not because she actually saw him in such way. Almost as if she wanted to prepare if a Gera elim/wagon happened (to say later "hey, I was scumreading Gera before the scumflip")

[RLotus]

VOTE: Titus

[clidd]

Ok, I have more to say but my mind needs some rest.

I'm not 100% sold on all of this, so I'm still open to hear Titus or whatever person appears on the slot (if a substitution occurs).

pedit: 3 votes already.

[clidd]

It's E-1.

[clidd]

And she alsko.. trired...to..

[Flea The Magician]

INTENT TO HAMMER

still wanna see the Titus spark.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Normally, I would try to say something after being prodded but it's anti-town to here.

[VFP]

Remember, a RB flip here means the below.
Confirmed town
A50
Llama
Lotus

Clidd will be clear as both scum would have pushed.

So it's a win then.

[clidd]

@Titus

Sorry if you're frustrated town, but it all makes sense in my head with you being scum.

I hope you can overcome the depression soon.