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[Anya]

i think people were asking me earlier why George was town

it was this post of his earlier that just made me really sure in his divine towniness:

on a more serious note, i'm a town informed, Georgebailey is mafia

Well, to say this is the fastest i've ever been scumread would be a lie. lmao.

no, i meant my normal way of playing is to sit back and just not move my votes very much, people hate it. i don't plan on being as like that from now on, and see how it goes (i fully expect people to go "Why is geraint so different from usual, lets vote him?")

I mean yeah. The way you describe it, it sounds like you don't actively scum hunt? That's usually my basis for scumreading people. So like.. I look forward to the change!

whenever someone says that you can't read anyone's alignment for certain on day 1 i have a fucking stroke

Ok ok but it's like 10000000x harder than literally any other day. But I do agree cause that one game with NPOM where he was literally too scummy on the first page opened up my eyes.

actually hmmmm

given the claim, there's a possibility for it being ico + gera

not really stuff i'd bank on, just higher odds

VOTE: gypyx

actually hmmmm

given the claim, there's a possibility for it being ico + gera

not really stuff i'd bank on, just higher odds

VOTE: gypyx

Geraint's sheep is kinda... bleh, like Datisi said it was a tonal read, which I don't see but sure. Geraint why did you vote here?

based on?

Based

see, i said at the start i am fed up with always going through the same route in every game - people just dislike my way of playing. this game, i am not going to sit back and let day 1 drift and drift. i plan to get day 1 over and done with as quickly as possible

i literally don't care what people think now. i hate day ones,

See:

someone sitting on the sidelines going "boohoo day 1 bad" is killing information and is making people wanna policy you

Also uh,

I will join the largest wagon at every reasonable opportunity. wonder if you can policy eliminate me for that?

This is what scum does in most games. It's literally the path of least resistance. I really wanna scumread you here but I have a feeling this is townie.

Geraint's day 1 hating posts are interesting so far, It kinda reads like... Newbie posts complaining about the game? I know Geraint is far from a newbie though, so I'm conflicted on it. I think the transparency on this is town. I don't see scum acting in such a way when the usual scum energy is ~~look i'm so calm relaxed and funny haha~~

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you just being ironic or something?

[Datisi]

anya can you please elaborate what about that post is town

[Datisi]

it's been a while since i've made a triangle this garbage but here you go:



ok so in the vague order of "would not yeet" to "would yeet":

geraintm

- i don't think scum!him does that claim. it's giving up ground. it's giving up ground for possibly fakeclaiming a power role later. if there's no actual 1-shot strongman, it's gonna become obvious sooner or later he's lying. if there is an actual 1-shot strongman, he's alerting the town, and losing the ability of potentially pushing a town protective after a failed kill. obviously, some scum *would* give up ground like this in order to use wifom and/or townreads for their advantage. but like... does gera strike you as a player to do that? i've never played with him, but i did skim some of his games at some point, i think i also backup modded some, and i think the answer is no. if he's scum, it's either gonna be painfully obvious down the line, or he suddenly became a scum mastermind of playing the wifom of an uninterested townie. and i'm fine with that.

norwee

- i've played with scum!norwee once, and while i think i've seen better scum!performances from him since, this just gives the vibe of town!norwee. like, his emotions seem genuine and he seems like he cares about this game and is trying to Do Things. i can't go much more into this other than ~gut~ and ~vibes~, but it is page 16.

ico

- idk lol feels like town!ico. the "mindmeld" on gypyx / calling me town for the "case" could've been fake but like. idk. i'm kinda weirded out by the fact that he had "no read" on the three norwee mentioned, but also? i don't know he can sit here for now.

iv

- i dooooon't like saying this read so early but i'm kinda vibing baltar's idea that he's constantly putting his foot in his mouth if he's scum and that scum!him wouldn't necesssarily do that. and like, having seen and played with scum!iv first-hand? yeah he probably wouldn't. note here that i will be able to be more confident on this read later on as scum!iv generally runs out of steam sooner or later and it's gonna show, but for now he can here.

wooper

- while i'm fully aware he can fake this, i kinda vibe asking me for a triangle. i don't really understand what's he saying about gypyx but it sounds townie. the idea of scum!wooper does scare me, but i haven't seen anything to make me do a double take, so he can go into the "kinda slightly townie but not much also a healthy dose of paranoia" part.

luca blight

- ok so. luca's reads, at least his townreads, are 100% what i'd expect of town!luca at this stage. is that because he's a townie who can read? is that because his role pm told him who's town? a biiit difficult to tell while he's out vacationing. i'm slapping a "townlean with a *heavy* dose of paranoia" on this, ask me later.

vp baltar

- i'm preceeding this with saying that i absolutely do not trust myself to read him correctly early game. his takes are? reasonable? is that a good metric for reading him? probably not. uhh, baby scum points for 300 because i feel like he shouldn't be dead null on me still? am i unjustified in thinking that my play in 2195 and here is already different enough for me to *not* be dead null here? i might be, i don't know how to read myself objectively. am i gonna go reread my early play in 2195 to try to figure that out? no. "slight scumlean but idk ask me again in some 40-60 pages" it is.

georgebailey

- this is also a ??? read because he's posted twice, what do you expect of me. slight scumlean bc there's some stuff i'd expected town!george to pick up / comment on that he didn't, but also i might be talking out of my ass here. (if you're wondering why he's not close to the

oh god oh fuck

point - idk. his slot feels chill. i feel like i have enough time to figure him out. maybe it's bc i'm beign naive for not fearing scum!bailey. who knows.)

gypyx

- ehh. no idea. i thought my "case" might have merit. then i thought of my last game w him, where i was genuinely scumreading town!him. even though i was scum. so i don't know. i will let the public know once i start thinking i know.

anya

- no clue how to read this one *at all*, however the fact that she keeps refusing to elaborate on george lands her in the right-hand portion of the triangle.

alice

- the fact that she's *online* and *reading* but no really offering anytihng isn't giving me good vibes. could she be town who's not yet read up? sure. but the fact that she keeps offering ~crumbs~ of ai opinions about players without doing anything...? yeah not great.

not_mafia

- lol

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the main takeaway is that half of my ~reads~ are "i need more time to confidently sort this person", and then there's the bottom 5 which are just different flavours of "???".

[VP Baltar]

i think people were asking me earlier why George was town

it was this post of his earlier that just made me really sure in his divine towniness:

You're not answering the question of why though...

[VP Baltar]

i feel like he shouldn't be dead null on me still?

Why? You're gonna have to build trust with me after I went easy on you last game. Clearly the things I find town from your playstyle are fakeable, so I think I have every right to be skeptical of my ability there, yeah?

[VP Baltar]

this is an odd sequence b

if I was on at this point I would have been like "O good catch let's yeet gypux" but alas I missed the fun so you get post-fun edgy wooper

my natural counterpoint is that it's an odd sequence because we are human beings/pokemon and human beings are odd human beings and gypux's flip didn't strike me as scummy because I wouldn't have really expected anyone to feel very attached to feelings from pg. 1-2 of this game! th y were very unexciting pages. maybe Gypyx is town for not pretending to have an opinion for clout points. I don't think this is really a scum tell and I'm not sure why you're identifying flipping as scum indicative here and then backing down liek "oh I suppose I can't read Gypyx aha"

I guess I'm not following what changed for you between then and now on Gypyx. You say you would have found it scummy in the moment, and then give some slight town points on it. I'm confused.

[VP Baltar]

Can the next 3 ppl to check in pls explains why they are not talking about how George is scum or like what they think of Anya or something

I mostly want George to post more. I also didn't like that post, but he should get in the thread and give some commentary. Failing that, I'm not opposed to a George yeet.

I have similar vibes from Anya as you...perhaps aloof town. I have another possible theory there, but I'm not diving too far into that tinfoil yet. Still want Anya to ELI5 why George is town for that post.

[VP Baltar]

i don't remember last time i played with VP

[Datisi]

i feel like he shouldn't be dead null on me still?

Why? You're gonna have to build trust with me after I went easy on you last game. Clearly the things I find town from your playstyle are fakeable, so I think I have every right to be skeptical of my ability there, yeah?

i explained why literally right after that sentence. my own feelings are that my game here is *already* different enough for you to pick up on it and/or at least not have me as dead null. this however comes with the caveat that i'm aware i am potentially being unfair here because, again, i cannot read myself objectively.

[VP Baltar]

I like everyone in this game

famous last words

You may be correct, dragon.

Luca literally said the same later but ok.

I don’t see why Luca having those reads is scummy, i’ve had the same reads up to this point.

Maybe Luca could be trying to pocket if my reads are bad, but i’m inclined to believe i’m correct.

That's sort of the exact point I'm making.

In fairness, he could just be putting out some lazy reads because he is chilling on a beach somewhere. That will sort itself out when his holiday is over. But for now, I find his reads a bit too in line with the goal of not rocking the boat with verbose players.

[Datisi]

I'm not sure why you're identifying flipping as scum indicative here and then backing down liek "oh I suppose I can't read Gypyx aha"

i amybe should respond to this

i don't know either. i didn't like it anymore. that's about as deep as that goes.

[VP Baltar]

i feel like he shouldn't be dead null on me still?

Why? You're gonna have to build trust with me after I went easy on you last game. Clearly the things I find town from your playstyle are fakeable, so I think I have every right to be skeptical of my ability there, yeah?

i explained why literally right after that sentence. my own feelings are that my game here is *already* different enough for you to pick up on it and/or at least not have me as dead null. this however comes with the caveat that i'm aware i am potentially being unfair here because, again, i cannot read myself objectively.

I'm not saying there aren't differences. But but but...I'd expect you to make alterations if you DID happen to draw scum with me again.

For example, a big tell you did drop in that game was just never really pushing on me. (In some ways, I don't want to say this aloud, but I'm sure you know already). I can see you aren't doing that here, but I'm WIFOMing myself that perhaps you wouldn't do that again. FWIW, nothing about you this game has pinged me on a gut level as bad yet, which is a good sign. I did have some of those pings last game and I stupidly dismissed them as my own paranoia.

I do think I'll be able to sort you, but I expect it will take me a bit longer this time around.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m liking VP’s more recent posts a bit better.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m seeing a lot of comments that George’s post is either +town or +scum and i’d just like for someone to actually elaborate why?

[Datisi]

so what's the reason for you shutting down luca's townread of me then? @vp obviously

[VP Baltar]

I’m seeing a lot of comments that George’s post is either +town or +scum and i’d just like for someone to actually elaborate why?

His catch up post didn't stake many positions. He gave both sides to a lot of interactions....which is scummy. It's a way of catching up that allows you to pivot with the herd as needed.

That was my take.

[VP Baltar]

so what's the reason for you shutting down luca's townread of me then? @vp obviously

Because you are a good player, which he knows, and the better a player is, the more time you should probably take to be sure you're sorting them correctly.

You are always interested in getting other players to town read you, so he could be playing off that bit of your personality.

I don't think characterizing it as me "shutting him down" is really accurate. I'm just calling it kind of a bullshit read from my perspective. If he wants to stick with it based on what little content is in this game, that's his choice.

[Datisi]

luca and i go way back

he once gave me shit because i wasn't obvtown to his standards on page 3

good times

[NorwegianboyEE]

Luca gave me shit for not solving the game on day 1 earlier.

[Datisi]

anyway i have been pocketed for the time being.

[NorwegianboyEE]

By Luca for just those reads?

[Datisi]

no, by vp

luca has a bit more work to do for that

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m gonna vote IV for the time being while we wait for Bailey.
VOTE: InnocentVillager

[AliceK]

Calling town reads quick on folks who might be argumentative and calling IV scum when he's being silly, plus OMGUSing slightly cause I poked him.

Sounds like Luca is scumming it up on the path of least resistance over there.

I have a lot of experience with Datisi and Norwee and they both seem Town so far

Scum can be silly too

My opinion on you has nothing to do with Omgus, and is more in line with what Norwegian touched on before - you’re commenting on stuff but not really doing anything with it. Right now you’re assuming motives behind my reads without even bothering to question them

What kind of experience? What would you expect them to do as scum in this game?