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[Titus]

@hopkirk, you spend a lot of time propping up hercule early. Why?

i'm a sucker for really overt self meta. i've definitely brought this up before. i pretty much locktowned him this post 15 posts into the game and never looked back because it felt like something that doesn't come from scum EVER. factored into my push on LLD somewhat. i don't plan to rely on the tell again
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12557883

Cephrir looks 1000% better by the votes so him encouraging me to look elsewhere is actually a good look for him. Scum!him likely would have played up the fact he looked better at least on day one rather than bitching about me saying the votes tell the story.

have you done the VCA? i'm assuming you have from this and i don't really get it

I've eyeballed it, but not colored it and done it properly.

I rely on the colors to prevent any derp moments like forgetting Bell and TW were the same slot.

[Titus]

In post 5913, Cephrir wrote:
what scum ATE has been happening in this game what are you even talking about.


i don't think you ever answered this @Titus and i don't remember this (unless you mean Oka siding with Agar when a bunch of people were pulling toxic shitpushes on me where they were saying 'Hop is either scum or a shitty person' or something)

I think I was just feeling frustrated from Warehouse 13 and Nancy Drew v Titus. I don't believe any flipped scum engaged in it.

Any argument about you two doing it would be circular.

You toxic flailed. Therefore, you're scum.
Why is the flail toxic? Because you're scum, repeat.

So it's a bad argument.

[Titus]

flopz has a point. i am also a bad person who watches dubs. if the dub is bad, i just... don't watch the show

my gut has ythan as more likely scum than you right now. that probably isn't great lol.

Ythan as more likely scum than Hopkirk? Really? How do you get that?

[Titus]

where was Titus not knowing who Bell replaced?

It's a common mistake I make. That's why I color and replace my VCs.

[Cephrir]

flopz has a point. i am also a bad person who watches dubs. if the dub is bad, i just... don't watch the show

my gut has ythan as more likely scum than you right now. that probably isn't great lol.

Ythan as more likely scum than Hopkirk? Really? How do you get that?

i just like his posts today. i did say "gut," though. i use my head too.

[Ythan]

I just won my other game so all my game attention will be here now.

[Cephrir]

i'm sure you could guess i was going to check that game and observe that it is night and day vs. this one.

[Ythan]

Guess I have some things to work on, that's my first scum game in a while.

[Hopkirk]

i also had a scumgame end recently, for the first time in years, but i lost (Titus vs Nancy).
i'm kind of surprised Titus hasn't referenced it (either saying similar or different) since she was the scum stump there, so should have one of the better pictures of what scum!hop (SaraharaS in that game) current looks like in a forum setting

In post 5913, Cephrir wrote:
what scum ATE has been happening in this game what are you even talking about.


i don't think you ever answered this @Titus and i don't remember this (unless you mean Oka siding with Agar when a bunch of people were pulling toxic shitpushes on me where they were saying 'Hop is either scum or a shitty person' or something)

I think I was just feeling frustrated from Warehouse 13 and Nancy Drew v Titus. I don't believe any flipped scum engaged in it.

Any argument about you two doing it would be circular.

You toxic flailed. Therefore, you're scum.
Why is the flail toxic? Because you're scum, repeat.

So it's a bad argument.

i don't follow this?

[Hopkirk]

@ythan - can you link it? i'm not seeing it by glancing at your post history and i want to see if i agree with ceph's assessment

[Ythan]

Deas is talking to me so that'll help. I'll grab that link

[Ythan]

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

[Hopkirk]

Ythan why does that iso have content in it?

[Hopkirk]

feels noticeably more aggressive but the content dropped off as the game progressed

[Hopkirk]

i only skimmed for tone though. how would you describe your scumgame?

[Ythan]

Hard to say, that's my first scum game in years and years and it was a weird setup nobody really understood and my team was stacked.

[Cephrir]

Ythan why does that iso have content in it?

like i said, night and day

[Ythan]

I was trying really hard to win as scum. Plus it's a smaller game I should have asked for a smaller game in team mafia.

[implosion]

Prodding Titus.

[Titus]

Sorry I was prodded. I am alive, just quiet.

I really don't get the emphasis on sorting Ythan. Fmpov, he was sorted when he hammered Bell.

[Hopkirk]

What empesis?

[Titus]

What empesis?

Any at all. Ythan would only be scum if I was scum, and that's too many scum. Plus, Ythan was townie prehammer.

[Ythan]

Deas requests a summary of where each of you is at and why, including pointing to a previous post where you've already done so that still holds.

[Ythan]

By including I mean that is also acceptable not required in addition.

[Cephrir]

Deas requests a summary of where each of you is at and why, including pointing to a previous post where you've already done so that still holds.

I have returned to feeling comfortable Ythan is town. As previously stated, his actions around the A50 fiasco and his hammer of Bell are good enough for me. Also, seeing a scum game of his convinced me this isn't it.

I think it is most likely Titus, although I'm not tunnelling. She just hasn't demonstrated much town motivation or done much of anything besides vaguely shake a stick at VCA. I think it's totally reasonable Oka could have chosen to bus her over Bell given competing scum wagons, and although I confess I do find her apparent consistent inability to remember which players have flipped scum this game to be +town, that's not enough on its own.

Hopkirk has done decent analysis and put effort in all game, even if I've found a few things skeevy. I am sure AGar is screaming at me from the grave, but I feel like I should get a brownie point for not wanting to eliminate AGar at least. That said, his roleclaim is kind of ridiculous, and that's the main point against him as far as I'm concerned. It surprises me that he just kind of ignored (iirc) the discussion around whether he should be preserved for a day until the neapolitan outed while knowing the result would not clear him.

I still plan to do more research before arriving at a final decision; I also plan to selfishly take their leanings into account (if one of them is dead set it's me, then I might as well hope it's them since we lose otherwise).