Open 808: The Council Has Spoken

[Nono]

am here, reading
will be around for a while

assuming i don't need to self vote anymore, thanks council)

initial thoughts: still think mage is unlikely to be scum,, my thought process with bone was the same yesterday and he's been towny throughout,, will do due diligence to recheck, later, but i think he's fine right now

[Nono]

my initial suspect is raya,, reason being her townread on me was weird, imo, would be helpful if someone took a look as well

alright i'll re-read Nono then. While I do, can you talk me through why Nono bussed A50? Because it seems to me like Nono's name is being thrown around without much substance backing it up.

Read T-Bone's post about this. What he said about this makes sense

oh I will, but I'd like to get a position from you?

Well yes but that part is going to sound basically the same.

Spoiler:

mozamis, enchant, almost is really scummy, in my eyes xD

If scum are going to distance this game, where you basically lose if you lose your scumbuddy D1, this is a good way to do it. No backing so no real traction will grow from this.

thinking almost, almost has played with me before,, why am i scummy, almost?

VOTE: almost

Once again this a weak reason to vote someone so traction shouldn't have been expected. It was early on the wagon so it's very possible it was a distancing attempt with plans to unvote (but they never checked back in on time).

to me, i'm cleared,, look at how i was almost's first pick for elim yesterday, it's easy game

HEAL: nono, art, mage would be ideal council, am fine with switching for enchant

Claiming yourself cleared doesn't look good, and this is the first time nono actually put themselves in their council vote, after A50 was eliminated.

If I use my super intellectual gift I'd say one scum in BM/Raya/Enchant and the other is in Nono/Atemiana (but don't quote me on any of that yet. I'll only take responsibility of my reads on the top 3 so far)

Distancing again, not taking responsibility for those 2 bottom scumreads so showing they're weak

Nono?? I never suggested or even hinted I want Nono in the council. It's Moz, T-Bone & Yessiree for me

But then there's this. Maybe I'm wrong on this too...

in the spoiler,
first, second, third, fourth(!!) points were all shading me xD only the fifth one was saying i was town, but the conclusion was a strong nono townread

[Nono]

would like to be on the council, please x) seems fun
would also heal art (almost tried to vote her out, like me,, took her out of the council too, pending reread), mage (has been towny throughout)
otherwise, have good feelings about yessir: remember him saying he genuinely didn't think to no-kill, reaction to 49 hammer,, it all reads honest to me,, progression today makes sense, given bone's flip
can't say much about mozami's play, but maybe he's too unfiltered to be scum,, out of scum-range/fakable range, imo

raya, can't remember her stances yesterday off the top of my head, skirting maybe, nor can see her gamestate view clearly,, missing a full picture, etc etc, at least that's what it looks like to me

[Nono]

theory with raya,, it's possible she thought no-killing would be good, realized it would be an uphill battle after doing so, so killed again, possibly
unless it's confbias, have reasons to townread everyone else
if i can ask a favor, i don't want her on the council

HEAL: nono, art, mage my opinion
HEAL: nono, art, yessir to honor bone, second choice

leave me questions if i'm needed, kthxbai~

[Nono]

Raya loooks more and more town, so council:

HEAL: Mozamis, BattleMage, Raya

Although if we lynch Nono, we won't need a council:
VOTE: NONO

Try and see the wood from the trees, people!

In light of recently transpired events, can't see the forest for the trees, mozzyman!

kek x)

[yessiree]

HEAL: nono, arte, yessiree

VOTE: no lim

[brassherald]

I've got a real, in person trial this morning, so I will do the votecount in the afternoon.

[Raya36]

my initial suspect is raya,, reason being her townread on me was weird, imo, would be helpful if someone took a look as well

Just to explain that, I very much scumread your play, but I didn't think it made any sense for you to be scum with A50 who was basically going against you being on the council and that point is stronger than my general read, therefore you were town

[Raya36]

I'm a part of most people's PoE so understandable if I'm not wanted on the council, but can we at least keep my PoE of BM and Yessiree off the council too? I'd like HEAL: Nono, Art, moz if I can't be on it

[Raya36]

Thoughts on A50 interaction clearing:

Nono - conftown

Artemiana - probtown

Spoiler:

Art -> A50: 460 463 488 This is the only post about A50 followed by 2 posts. Art was the first to vote A50 but then switched over to Yessiree when BM voted Yessiree (BM also had A50 in his scumpool). Then Nono and I voted A50 and Art went back to A50. If this was distancing I think Art would stay more committed. Also Art in a sense lead the A50 wagon and could have pushed the alternative, Yessiree, if they were scum.
A50 -> Art: 280 Had art as bottom scumread with Nono. 391 pushes against Art being on council, 424 also pushes against Art being on council, 450 wants to elim art but nobody else is voting there, 511 said again that art is a bottom scumread.

I really don't think it's possible for these two to be partners. If they are then they honestly deserve the win for that distancing.

mozamis - ??? no attempt to distance from A50 if partners

Spoiler:

moz -> A50: 65 heals A50, calls him very town, 165 heals A50 as his vote. 232 A50 read is meta. 523 A50 is getting elimed, still calls him town.
A50 -> moz: 45 heals moz, 180 heals moz again, 180 heals moz as his vote. 270 another heal with moz, 280 has moz as top townread, 424 moz was one of the options he wanted swapped into the council. At some point A50 also called out moz on a scumslip.

I actually can't remember why I interaction cleared moz. Probably for the opposite reason as Art, there is absolutely no distancing happening from either of them. You'd think scum would want to distance a bit but maybe they prioritized getting on the council. Still seems like a bit much. Putting moz back in my pool. Someone tell me if this makes sense from scum partners.

yessiree - could be partners

Spoiler:

yes -> A50: 286 has A50 as green, actually not much mention at all that involved meaningful content. At one point he said they almost share reads but that's all
A50 -> yes: 180 heals yes, 270 heals yes again, 280 has yes as third top TR, 424 has yes as an option to swap into the council

There isn't really anything that felt like they were partners or felt like they were distancing.

Battle Mage - don't seem like partners

Spoiler:

BM -> A50: 44 votes A50, 52 says his posts are bad, 206 says it's weird A50 is voting a council without himself, 212 hero solve includes A50, 468 has A50 in his scumpool. preference is yessiree, 506 votes A50
A50 -> BM: 280 has BM in scumpool, 424 wanted BM swapped out of council, 440 heals with BM

This could be distancing but it doesn't really feel like they're partners

[Artemiana]

As it stands raya is a paranoia push. It's all makes sense for the game to end after Moza dies and if not then we'll go down that road then

[Artemiana]

HEAL: nono, art, yessir

[Raya36]

Does moz really make sense as A50's partner though? Maybe it just really is moz and they were obvious about it. Or maybe A50 was trying to pocket moz?

[Raya36]

Either way I don't want yessiree on the council. I'm not going to fight against BM since most seem to TR him and we can hopefully figure out it's him if he is scum with the council info

I could do one of these:
Raya, nono, art (ideally because this basically is a fully conftown council to me)
Raya, nono, BM
Nono, art, BM

[Artemiana]

What are your thoughts on d1? What are the odds of scum No killing N1 and killing N2?

[Nono]

HEAL: nono, mozami, yessir

rethinking, maybe,, it’s controversial, but the safest choice, imo

[Raya36]

What are your thoughts on d1? What are the odds of scum No killing N1 and killing N2?

I'm either wrong about BM and that's who they shot at, or maybe scum was worried about being tracked (so someone off the council who was highly suspected). The second one means it was likely they were off the council the first night and on the council (or no longer suspected) the next night.

[Raya36]

HEAL: nono, mozami, yessir

rethinking, maybe,, it’s controversial, but the safest choice, imo

I'm really against this council

[yessiree]

Been busy over the weekend. Will catch up tomorrow

[mozamis]

catching up sorry for being shit, been really stressed with RL stuff.

[yessiree]

I'm not gonna vote BM (where is BM? MIA?) in the council, and I don't think moz makes good council (no offence but we need someone who doesn't change his mind every other post ), and obviously I'm gonna vote myself over raya. I can maybe see a world where mozzy makes council instead of me but I really think putting me in will be more effective

[Artemiana]

I will accept council members consisting of Nono, Yessus, and BM outside of myself. Everyone is off

[Artemiana]

HEAL: nono, mozami, yessir

rethinking, maybe,, it’s controversial, but the safest choice, imo

Why? what makes you think council has been infiltrated at least one time? Who do you think all signs point to?

[Artemiana]

HEAL: BM, Yessus, Nono

Probably the best bet for council. Let's not play wifom until we have to actually play wifom. More than likely scum tried to shoot both nights and hit protection N1

AND if we're gonna go with the notion that scum no killed N1 and was on the council N2 so they felt safe then like, I shouldn't be voted into N3 council.

Either way it's highly likely that scum wasn't in the N1 council.

[Artemiana]

Tonight is the last night for council. No protection is the play here and track is up to the group but I think it should be either me or raya tonight