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[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: A50

[Not_Mafia]

VC 5.01

Flea The Magician (0)-

VFP (0)-

RLotus (0)-

clidd (0)-

Almost50 (1)-

Flea The Magician

Not Voting (4)-

VFP, RLotus, clidd, Almost50

With

5

alive, it takes

3

to Eliminate.

Deadline is

(expired on 2021-04-26 19:30:00)

- Apr 26th 19:30 GMT

[VFP]

A50 give some thoughts on the game?
The alternative lim to you today would be Flea but your post makes it sound like you know they are flipping town.

Unless you think I'm the 3rd scum?

[clidd]

Alright, thanks for the answers Flea.

[clidd]

is a50 indirectly scumclaiming or ..

mabyw3 apathrtic town ..

why would he act like thst, seriously .

[clidd]

First and foremost, I apologize for flaking after having replaced-in. As embarrassing as it is, I actually did post once but forgot to SUBSCRIBE THE THREAD. I thus didn't see it being updated on my list of subscribed topics and I totally forgot I was in this game.

but he posted before this post, which means that he had the ego thing on his "view your posts"

why is "subscribe" more important here(?)

[clidd]

Flea is probably town who was tunneled on town and hardpushing it (not the first time I see happening).

But this is likely scum by play:

VOTE: Almost50

Unless there is a mechanical reason that says otherwise.

Is it... is it my smell?? I can't help smelling of bananas.

meh

[clidd]

Almost50, specifically, was the worst since after entering he made no attempt to engage with the game (while active in other games)

Dafuq?! What part of I FORGOT TO SUBSCRIBE TO THREAD did you miss? I am playing in multiple games, and am following a few more (not gonna specify what or why so as not to be borderline breaking the rules), so I have a total of 14 active threads and 16 inactive/dead on my subscriptions currently. I sure as hell wouldn't notice if one went inactive for a couple of days, and even more so if one -that I had just joined- was missing altogether. I only remembered it as N_M prodded me during the night phase.

hum, ok

[clidd]

the rest of his ISO has no gamesolve, just fillers, mech things and "I'll sheep Pooky".

[clidd]

i mean, he's a blank slot with bad predecessors.

the fact that he's not willing to try as a "tpr" is basically scumsiding. i'm not sure how we're supposed to see the "light" if he doesn't help himself (and he probably should know that)

[clidd]

actually, i don't need a reread on Flea.

fae is very likely scum if a50 is town.

thinking about it again, lotus is towny by play and mech (kind of clear too)

which leaves vfp and flea

vfp did loads of "helping the game"

flea also did a few things, but fae scumsided for two days before eliminating Titus, what makes faer slot look worse than vfp

so i'm fine with a a50>flea elim, like Lotus and Vfp said.

[clidd]

and fae last answers are "meh", not buying

[clidd]

if vfp is scum, he played well

I'm fine losing to good scumplay

but losing to scum!flea, who is looking bad after the scumflips, is vexatious

so yeah, it is what it is

[clidd]

if i'm here on d6, I'll for sure reanalyze everything I already know before I conclude anything

but my mind will be always leaning Flea anyways

[clidd]

assuming that the game does not end today, of course

[Flea The Magician]

Then take me out today.
What information do you gain?

A50 or VFP is left, who do you go for?

[clidd]

The info that your interaction with Vfp was not in bad faith (and a huge cognitive relief by PoE).

This would also give more credibility to your read on Vfp for supposedly manipulative behavior, although this does not say whether the read is correct or not, but rather that it was formulated from a town perspective (which would make me pay more attention to the theory and evaluate it before proceeding to a future elimination of a50, assuming a townflip scenario on you today).

[clidd]

And, well, the information would basically be available to other players, so I don't have to necessarily be the person making this assessment (in case I get killed during the night).

[clidd]

But I'm leaning on eliminating a50 today, as he's more scummy than you in general (and more likely to be scum).

[clidd]

I'm thinking about Titus + A50 as a solve (by play).

But with you two arguing now, I’m confused.

This is something that I was already working with as a solve before Titus being eliminated ^

The discussion between you and Vfp, however, was strange if it were a TvT. But if I had to guess the scum side, in a TvS scenario, you were the most scummy part of the interaction.

[clidd]

Spoiler:

@clidd, Calling something bad without presenting anything of your own is a common, but not universal, scum tactic. VCA is a tool available for everyone but weak this early. How does Faer's vca help you read him but the inverse wouldn't be true?

Extremely political comment. The question is formulated in bad faith, because at no time had I said that Flea's vca was essential for me to read fae.

I'm going to extend this back to you, in that many of your "questions" and your criticisms were in bad faith.

It feels like Flea is trying to make me vote faer for some reason.

Why do you feel like that?

"instead or asking what is clidd's read on flea, or what flea's read is on clidd, let me ask something that it won't help me sort clidd to create a spark"

FOr example this is a legitimate question I'm interested in seeing and answer to, and your non-response is bad faith smoke and mirrors.

@clidd, If you're town, actually make me want to read your posts. You weren't like this in Nancy Drew.

False impartiality. Atm I'm 80% sure that Titus is not coming from an uninformed/ genuine/ that needs to actively find out who is scum/perspective.

Disproving meta with redirection.

Just rechecked, Pooky is a PR claim which makes it suboptimal to eliminate him, but he knows that. :/

More fillers.

Coming from the king of them.

Eyeballing day 1, is there a clear on Pooky? There's a lot of green on Pooky and he got to L minus 1.

Here too.

Point proven xD

Most accurate gif of the game, stirring the pot

There is also some stuff that you said when I was pushing Titus that it's odd for town!you to think.

Like the sequence above, for example.

[clidd]

Spoiler:

Scum is in VFP/Titus, Im leaning titus rn.

I'm doing a you, and looking at votes Taking clears and other stuff into mind. VFP's been pretty good at shoving Gerain throughout, your slot never voted there on the VCA from D1 and D2. I need to look at D3

Everyones pool should be me, Titus and VFP.

Adjusted accordingly.

VFP is the townier of the two imo, so happy with VFP not being considered. Me or Titus peeps.

removing clears, mechclear and soft clears, yes. that said, nice catch from Llama.

VOTE: A50

You look desperate at this point Flea! Just take the lim with dignity!

Whatever you're adding to your tea, can I have some?

If you wanna yeet me, yeet me. I know what position I'm in. A50 claimed block when surely one of the PRs should've been blocked previously and claimed it.

You might want some more tinfoil VFP, you raisin my suspicions rn

VOTE: VFP Let stay in the nominated pool, shall we?

And other stuff that, honestly.. What were you even doing?

Titus was definitely the most scummy of them, I don't get why you were jumping with votes.

[clidd]

I mean, there are problems with you play that make you more scummy than Vfp and I think you're aware of that after the flips. Lotus also agrees with you>Vfp in terms of scum potential.

Which is why we're seeing a50/Flea as a chain solve that probably wins the game.

[clidd]

Obviously, if you are a town and know that a hypothetical townflip a50 scenario means an expressive chance of defeat tomorrow, it is up to you to advocate an explanation for scum!Vfp in addition to "he is scum by PoE from my perspective".

[clidd]

None of this should matter if a50 is scum, anyways.