Mini Normal 2196 - Game Over

geraintm · Post Post #2975 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:14 am

just so hard arguing with people saying "your reads are awful" when i know my reads are indeed awful

clidd · Post Post #2976 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:14 am

Btw, I'm still a little disappointed with the general apathy, ngl, but I understand that not everyone had fun.

A lot of people replaced out.

geraintm · Post Post #2977 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:16 am

In post 2976, clidd wrote:Btw, I'm still a little disappointed with the general apathy, ngl, but I understand that not everyone had fun.

A lot of people replaced out.

yes. game got derailed multiple times by changes to the players. i think at the point i got eliminted, only one other player in the game had also started it.

geraintm · Post Post #2978 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:19 am

Q: what was the use of the mafia gunsmith?

clidd · Post Post #2979 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:19 am

In post 2975, geraintm wrote:just so hard arguing with people saying "your reads are awful" when i know my reads are indeed awful

This will happen to you regardless of alignment.

I think you need to reflect on your game. I don't think you made any major mistakes, but maybe scum had a chance to win if you weren't eliminated in such a quick way.

You just needed to fake some kind of evolution in your read about me to appear more organic.

clidd · Post Post #2980 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:21 am

I mean, after your elim, town just outperformed scum.

The scum narrative would have more strength if the scum!Clidd theory remained relevant for the next days.

VFP · Post Post #2981 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:24 am

Well good try scum it was decent efforts.

@Clidd

- I really like playing with you I feel we bounced off each other really well and reading your thoughts when they matched or wen tthe same direction as mine really helped me not flip flop like I normally do as much.
Thanks everyone else and thanks NM, I like the setup, not seen a scum Gunsmith before myself but it's a nice touch.

VFP · Post Post #2982 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:24 am

In post 2978, geraintm wrote:Q: what was the use of the mafia gunsmith?

A weaker rolecop I guess?

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2983 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:26 am

@DGB sorry for the push <3 you're a player I have massive amounts of respect for really

Love ya nerd <3

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2984 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:27 am

@VFP I absofuckinglutly hate clashing with you. don't do that again xD

clidd · Post Post #2985 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:28 am

@Vfp

The feeling is mutual, I hope to play with you in the future.

clidd · Post Post #2986 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:31 am

@Flea

Sorry for the ''Flea is foolish-town'' read.

Your approach to my lack of answers to Titus' questions was rational, but I have a tendency to have emotional reads at times.

clidd · Post Post #2987 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:33 am

@Flea

I actually think that your play was normal, instead of ''scummy''.

Probably the paranoia of thinking there was scum between you and Vfp, if a50 was not scum, was making me overthink some stuff.

VFP · Post Post #2988 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:34 am

In post 2984, Flea The Magician wrote:@VFP I absofuckinglutly hate clashing with you. don't do that again xD

I really wanted to town read you!
For the record, I enjoy playing in games with you too

I just won't ever be able to be 100% on you as town of scum. I think always having an open mind on you unless mechanically confirmed is the safer option

If I did offend you in any way during the game, there were no intentions to do so and I apologies, I think I just struggle to explain certain things or at least in a way that is readable to others as I'm constantly over thinknig things, even as I type it.
If we went into a day with me you and 1 other I would have had a melt down I think.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #2989 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:35 am

nice my reads were total trash and we still won

good job townfriends! <3

clidd · Post Post #2990 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:37 am

Well, that's it, gg guys.

VFP · Post Post #2991 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:39 am

In post 2987, clidd wrote:I actually think that your play was normal, instead of ''scummy''.

The problem was that Flea's main scummy part was the voting and the lims/not lims.
I know that town can be wrong (I'm wrong a lot of the time) but it was a hard factor when adding in PoE and possibilities.
If you take the VCA out of it, yeah Flea isn't really scummy from an outside but more PoE.

It does make me sad that DGB went out the game feeling like It made bad plays.

@DGB

- I hope you don't let this game give negative prod backs to yourself. You were unlucky with everythnig in my opinion. I hope to see you around in games soon but also all the best if you take a break.

VFP · Post Post #2992 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:40 am

In post 2989, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:nice my reads were total trash and we still won

good job townfriends! <3

I think you clearing Llama was a huge sucess to the win.

LlamaFluff · Post Post #2993 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:42 am

In post 2971, geraintm wrote:
In post 2969, clidd wrote:Yeah, basically that ^

The elimination of Gera was comically quick.
Quick
It wasn't funny though

Like I said in dead topic... it was because at that moment I realized that Clidd-Flea were not scum together which meant you were probably scum (or I was so horribly wrong nothing else mattered). It was actually intended to be a reaction test and I would vote one of them from it... but then everything that happened happened.

LlamaFluff · Post Post #2994 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:44 am

In post 2992, VFP wrote:
In post 2989, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:nice my reads were total trash and we still won

good job townfriends! <3
I think you clearing Llama was a huge sucess to the win.

Yeah. Dann almost destroyed the game for town. Pooky rescued it.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2995 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:44 am

In post 2988, VFP wrote:
In post 2984, Flea The Magician wrote:@VFP I absofuckinglutly hate clashing with you. don't do that again xD
I really wanted to town read you!
For the record, I enjoy playing in games with you too
I just won't ever be able to be 100% on you as town of scum. I think always having an open mind on you unless mechanically confirmed is the safer option

If I did offend you in any way during the game, there were no intentions to do so and I apologies, I think I just struggle to explain certain things or at least in a way that is readable to others as I'm constantly over thinknig things, even as I type it.
If we went into a day with me you and 1 other I would have had a melt down I think.

Genuinely the best approach to have with me. And any other Wildcard-type players honestly.

If you ever offend me, I would tell you. Don't worry about that

Not_Mafia · Post Post #2996 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:50 am

In post 2978, geraintm wrote:Q: what was the use of the mafia gunsmith?

PR hunting.

This is the original build of the set-up, the idea of the set-up was to split town power amongst multiple slots, which weakened the PRs by giving them multiple false guilties or unsure results

Town Novice Detective
Town Night 1 Psychologist
Town Odd Night Gunsmith
Town Even Night Gunsmith
Town Neapolitan
5xVT

Mafia Vanilla Cop
Mafia Encryptor
Mafia Goon

I haven't modded in years and balance has changed a lot since then, last time I ran a mini normal it was a Neapolitan and two masons versus 3 goons, this would never pass today.

The final set-up was what I ended up agreeing with my reviewers, they actually felt this was still quite townsided, I didn't really think so but I haven't modded in so long I went with it

VFP · Post Post #2997 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:54 am

I just like the Encryptor.
I don't see these used as match as they should be since Mafia day talk became just a common thing years ago.

LlamaFluff · Post Post #2998 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:57 am

Yeah I probably would have dropped the DGB role and then maybe even nerfed the Neapolitan a bit more (maybe just motion detector or something). Scum had quite an uphill battle, but number of players claiming early for no reason helped them a lot.

Not_Mafia · Post Post #2999 (ISO) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:00 am

In post 2998, LlamaFluff wrote:Yeah I probably would have dropped the DGB role and then maybe even nerfed the Neapolitan a bit more (maybe just motion detector or something). Scum had quite an uphill battle, but number of players claiming early for no reason helped them a lot.

Yeah that is true, the Detective basically became null and void which had big potential to get guilties late game, but the claims also kind of helped Pooky in narrowing down a pool of who to target