Open 809: Charge Me Up! [Over]

[Raya36]

Official Vote Count 1.05

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Elimination

With 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to eliminate someone.

MiniVirgo

(5): Save the Dragons, DkKoba, Not_Mafia, Flea the Magician, Lukewarm

Green Crayons

(3): Dark Magician Girl, VFP, flow trap

Dark Magician Girl

(1): Green Crayons

Not_Mafia

(1): Yessiree

Artemiana

(1): mozamis

Not Voting

(3): Artemiana, NDMath, MiniVirgo

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-04-24 19:00:00).

Mod notes:

It is strictly forbidden to discuss N0 submissions. You may not discuss the role you chose or the player you chose to charge up
You may only claim the role in your final role pm

Friendly reminder of rule 3: attack the play and not the player.

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[Lukewarm]

After all the work you put in to get VFP's reads, they finally offer to break down their reads on 3 players and you didn't take them up on it?

How is asking the same question 3 or 4 times considered as all of that work?

I mean they at least dedicated a lot of posts towards it . Just did a quick scan of their ISO, and 14 of their first 29 posts were directed at you / your reads. So it seemed like they were pretty invested in trying to get reads from you lol

[VFP]

Don't get me wrong, they are probably town here and pushing me just makes their case stronger.

[flow trap]

ok what is ur read there then

I refuse to state

????

Question marks are bad for your health

[Lukewarm]

@VFP have you played any games with either head of MiniVirgo?

[VFP]

No, this is my first game on the site.
I did replace into a game with MMB where they replaced out before I joined though

[Lukewarm]

You have an interesting stance of [geting frustrated with you = Town].

You read NDMath as town when they got frustrated with you, and now you also read MiniVirgo as town for getting frustrated with you. I don't know that that reaction is necessarily indicative of town behavior.

My counter example: I am town, and decided to just embrace the tone you were bringing to the game lol

To be clear, I am suspicious of MiniVirgo, but I am not using MiniVirgo's reaction to you as being indicative of being scum. The way people react to how you have played this game just seems more like a personality thing, not an alignment thing, and so it probably should not be used to form a town read on them. I am taking that as a null read indicator.

[VFP]

I don't read them as town for getting frustrated with me.
That would be silly of me.

[Lukewarm]

Don't get me wrong, they are probably town here and pushing me just makes their case stronger.

[Lukewarm]

It's the "makes their case stronger" part that gives me that impression

[VFP]

The odd thing is, this isn't how I normally play (outside of bastard games).
Personally I hate D1 and I prefer to sub into games to get something going.

That said only nm and Flea have a completed game with me and I don't think it AI at all that I'm not scum to them for it (maybe I am still to nm?) (Maybe I am to Flea?)

[VFP]

It's the "makes their case stronger" part that gives me that impression

Frustration doesn't mean pushing me. You said yourself they have been pushing me majority of the game. The frustration part has been getting stronger over time but yes can easily be faked.

[Lukewarm]

Maybe we should re-kick start the discussion using the never before seen (and therefore never before wrong) Lukewarm Town Block™

Lukewarm
VFP
Dkkoba
Flow Trap
Save the Dragon
Green
Flea the Magician

Not Mafia
Moz
Artemiana
Mini
Yessiree

ND

OR

Dark Magician Girl

(but not both)

MiniVirgo

Spoiler:

Read logic not included

[flow trap]

My counter example: I am town, and decided to just embrace the tone you were bringing to the game lol

I object that's not a valid counter-example

[Lukewarm]

My counter example: I am town, and decided to just embrace the tone you were bringing to the game lol

I object that's not a valid counter-example

Flow Trap

[flow trap]

All dogs are animals a cat being an animal does not disprove that all dogs are animals
A dog which is not an animal disproves all dogs are animals

[Lukewarm]

All dogs are animals a cat being an animal does not disprove that all dogs are animals
A dog which is not an animal disproves all dogs are animals

Yeah, I don't really care to argue a point that has already been addressed by VFP. I don't think it will get us anywhere

Flow Trap

[Lukewarm]

Flow Trap

Before anyone gives me a stink eye for this, I am kidding with the color change. I have a null read on Flow Trap, with maybe a slight town lean.

[Dark Magician Girl]

All of them, how hard is this?

Okay when I'm at my PC ill tell you each read (3 hours odd)
For now unvote yourself.

If you want a discussion in the mean time then pock your topic.

I'm waiting for this still

[VFP]

I'm waiting for this still

I'm at my PC now.
But I'm tired so here's this.

VFP
Dk
Flea
Dragon
DMG
NM
Yessiree
Mini
Moz
Artemiana
Green
Lukewarm
ND

Flow

[NDMath]

lets flip within flow/mini

Can you elaborate on why flow?


I still scumread VFP's lack of cooperation with others, but I do think Jackson's recent posting has been much worse and don't really see that slot putting half their posts towards asking for vfp's reads if they are S/S.

I townread Green Crayosn for his thoughts on JV, the progression looks quite natural.

All dogs are animals a cat being an animal does not disprove that all dogs are animals
A dog which is not an animal disproves all dogs are animals

Yeah, I don't really care to argue a point that has already been addressed by VFP. I don't think it will get us anywhere

I don't like this response; Flow trap points out you're using a fallacy in your reasoning and your first response is to call it unimportant rather than either modify your reasoning or argue that you didn't use a fallacy.

[VFP]

but I do think Jackson's recent posting has been much worse

I don't think Mini is scum here.

[flow trap]

I'm waiting for this still

I'm at my PC now.
But I'm tired so here's this.

VFP
Dk
Flea
Dragon
DMG
NM
Yessiree
Mini
Moz
Artemiana
Green
Lukewarm
ND

Flow

Story of my life

[MiniVirgo]

Maybe we should re-kick start the discussion using the never before seen (and therefore never before wrong) Lukewarm Town Block™

Lukewarm
VFP
Dkkoba
Flow Trap
Save the Dragon
Green
Flea the Magician

Not Mafia
Moz
Artemiana
Mini
Yessiree

ND

OR

Dark Magician Girl

(but not both)

MiniVirgo

Spoiler:

Read logic not included

Why do you have our slot there twice?

- Mini

[MiniVirgo]

K I'm bored guess it's time to actually start reading people

I mean that is what you should be doing in this game. If you are town you should have been doing this already