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[JacksonVirgo]

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[Datisi]

see Datisi

maybe it's kind of jumbled and fuzzy in your head if you're town, but fmpov, your progression timeline on this realization looks incongruent to me

i tried to do a metadive on alice and i skimmed through her iso of her one completed game and the only thing i got from it is that i really really do not know how to do second-hand meta

this happened some time ago. You supposedly skimmed Newbie 2050 and got basically nothing out of it. But now you're saying you decided Alice had low content that game (okay ill give you that you are saying she posted a bit more?)

then you say this:

also i took a skim of another game of alice that just ended recently and like she was similarly low content and she was town and i'm running out of hope this game will ever have enough content for me to have a solid grasp on

so it feels weird to me that the relevation that town!Alice can be low content too happened when you skimmed Mini Normal 2196, and not really before? because you're clearly suggesting here that you realized it happened here

idk, it's making me queasy, like your progression on meta reading Alice doesn't feel chronological and it's there to make us feel like you are trying to sort her

whyyyy are you making me elaborate on this

ok so. when i made 749. i had skimmed through the newbie. she didn't post much and she was town there. at first i thought that she was posting more in that game than she was here. then i realized i'm not sure how much of that is "me noticing an ai difference" rather than "me confbiasing while doing second-hand meta" because confbiasing while doing second-hand meta is my speciality. so realistically, i got nothing out of it.

991 was made after i skimmed the mini. it's not

at that moment

i realized town!alice

can

be low content. i realized that back when i skimmed the newbie. but what skimming the mini did do is show that she was low content in two towngames, which right now is 100% of her completed games on site. that means that there's a much bigger chance she always plays like that, as opposed to the newbie being an anomaly wrt the amount of content she posts.

like, i'm not sure where the hell you're getting the idea that "after skimming the mini is when i realized alice *can* be low content". like i realized that earlier. what i *did* realize after skimming the mini is that "the odds of alice ever producing an amount of content i'd be happy with in this game have just plummeted", which is what 991 means.

[Datisi]

my god, this accusation from iv feels so forced

like he knows town!him would be skeptical of me because sTroNk sCumGaEm but doesn't actually know how to fake it so he's talking bullshit about me not having chronological reads

can i have one solid townread, please, that's all i ask

[VP Baltar]

ok a thought: i feel like ico is giving a town-pass to wooper waaaaaay too easily? like idk off the top of my head but i have a feeling ico should know that wooper is like. not a bad scum player. how in the hecc is he getting so many townpasses here. i don't like it.

gut is telling me ico is scum that's tmi-ing wooper being town

but gut is also telling me wooper is scum bc his lolnullread on me makes absolutely no sense and i'd *really* expect wooper to know better and townread me no problem in this game

but but but gut is also telling me that luca is townreading me way too easily even though in a vacuum i would fully expect him to have a solid read on me by now

I am sorry that my town vibes of you go up the more mental distress you appear to be in over your reads.

[VP Baltar]

there's also a tonal component that i rarely speak of

but let's say that i like IV's freeposting where VP just feels more forced

This is some bullshit if I ever saw it.

Please tell me what is forced about my posting compared to several town games you have seen me in.

[innocentvillager]

my god, this accusation from iv feels so forced

like he knows town!him would be skeptical of me because sTroNk sCumGaEm but doesn't actually know how to fake it so he's talking bullshit about me not having chronological reads

can i have one solid townread, please, that's all i ask

that actually makes sense to me thank you

i think it maybe feels forced to you because you understand what's going on in your brain a lot better than i do. I only see those two posts you made and it definitely felt like some sort of an incongruency so i wanted to make sure there was something logical going on in there. you just elaborated on a lot more than you've mentioned about this. like you can ask any other player in this game and they can tell you if they think my accusation is "forced" or not ig, i doubt many people will think so but maybe im just bad at this game idk

[VP Baltar]

idk, it's making me queasy, like your progression on meta reading Alice doesn't feel chronological and it's there to make us feel like you are trying to sort her

Serious question though, why are you spending so much time focused on Datisi today? Like, I can't see a world where we lim Datisi D1, so why is such a big amount of your posting about him instead of the many other relevant discussions happening.

I need to ISO you to confirm, but it just feels like a lot of your posts are about poking Datisi in a way that's not really going anywhere

[VP Baltar]

God you’re always so much better at putting to words what i’m thinking.

Pocketing

[VP Baltar]

i think that's just his tone

Ico has played a few games with me as town and knows my posting style.

[VP Baltar]

Any reason you’re not voting George?

im still catching up.

and going to break my vote longest wagon rule. not voting george. i think the wagon stinks.

i am not saying george can't be scum - they have as much change as anyone else in this game - but i am not (right now) going to help people eliminate them

VOTE: aliceK instead

This is some wild shit after several people have been arguing with you to stop running up wagons you disagreed with.

I'm very confused what changed here for you geraintm

Following up on this since it was the beginning of my catch up, I still don't think geraint explained this well. It may not have an actual good explanation other than the GB wagon is lazy....which I agree with.

Sigh.

[geraintm]

@VP Bal - yeah, the George wagon was so bad i couldn't bring myself to join it. i found i have standards. Who knew?

[Datisi]

baltar, do you think 1017 was a reasonable thing to be concerned about?

[innocentvillager]

idk, it's making me queasy, like your progression on meta reading Alice doesn't feel chronological and it's there to make us feel like you are trying to sort her

Serious question though, why are you spending so much time focused on Datisi today? Like, I can't see a world where we lim Datisi D1, so why is such a big amount of your posting about him instead of the many other relevant discussions happening.

I need to ISO you to confirm, but it just feels like a lot of your posts are about poking Datisi in a way that's not really going anywhere

did you too think my suspicion here was empty?

im not specifically targeting him this day. i just read posts and i respond to what i notice. there's nothing like mindblowing going on here

[GeorgeBailey]

Let’s hear the tinfoil hat theory, George

Basically, in the only scum game I ever played with you ( https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=23263 ) where you were a mafia goon, I noticed your entrance was pretty similar to here. You seemed safer, less enthusiastic and used passive language

I'm comparing it to Town!Luca with https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=23263 where you basically sunk your teeth into TSE when he made that Mason joke and got scum elimmed Day 1.

Basing off of:

Spoiler:

VOTE: Alice

Starting to feel IV might be Town

Baltar possibly scum

George’s long post is +scum imo

also uh sorry

i'm

back now

[innocentvillager]

alright im actually getting a little tilted im hopping off

[Luca Blight]

I guess I can see why you might make that association, George.

In reality I was on holiday when the game started, and am generally limited in how much time I have to play compared to normal which is why I’ve taken more of a backseat this game

Hopefully you can get caught up and start posting more consistently

[NorwegianboyEE]

God you’re always so much better at putting to words what i’m thinking.

Pocketing

So am i a scumread to you?

[VP Baltar]

baltar, do you think 1017 was a reasonable thing to be concerned about?

It's weird, hence why I asked what the obsession was. I think you articulated a well spoken questioning of it though.

[VP Baltar]

did you too think my suspicion here was empty?

It seems like a very academic criticism that isn't going to lead to actually finding scum. That was my read of it. So yeah, kind of empty calories there.

[VP Baltar]

God you’re always so much better at putting to words what i’m thinking.

Pocketing

So am i a scumread to you?

I think you are on the scummier side of null. You're not doing much this game but subtly shading me and trying to buddy up to people. Like, why are you talking about a town bloc seriously on D1?

You've been tweaked at me since the game started because I poked you a little bit early on. As far as I can tell, you're not actually looking at my reads or posts at all, just talking shit, and you're too timid to actually take me on if you think I'm scum. Not great signals as far as I'm seeing.

[Datisi]

i am kind of disappointed. like, a read of someone's intro is now classified as a "tinfoil theory"?

george, i left some questions for you. if you fall within prod range again now i'm prob just gonna vote you >_>

[VP Baltar]

Datisi, if we are going to policy, I'd prefer NM. Am I wrong? Like I get the GB hate, but that's my issue a bit...everyone is hating on him for the same reason about not posting/shit posting.

When scum gets accused of that, a yeet there is never that easy. Case in point: me trying to get scum!Dunn yeeted D1 in our last game. It was such an uphill climb and I couldn't get it through ever.

[GeorgeBailey]

why are these people here
why am i not here
what do you think of ico
what's making you unsure about iv

- Because they're my town reads! VP and Norwee are gut, and Gera is a townie on a mission to end day 1.
- VP, I remember really like 662. I feel like Scum wouldn't defend Alice, especially since everyone is saying Alice and noob, which would make good LHF
- Norwee is also gut, cause I played scum with him before. And I agreed with IV on 664! I still think Scum has an incentive to try and act townie, and sometimes does knee-jerk reactions when people call them out on stuff like that. Norwee's reaction isn't something Scum posts.

Like,

well, look, my point was more that scum would get angry too if they were inactive for NAI reasons, there you're going from an assumption that they can actually do something about it

My point wasn't that he would have upped his activity, it's that he would have tried and pushed someone in response.



I know you had other questions but I gotta leave work now and I'd lose this post otherwise.


Also fuck you That's my personal tinfoil hat!!! Luca is one of those players where I have a nasty habits of townreading too quickly... same with ISIS... And that bit me hard that one time ISIS was scum.

[VP Baltar]

Norwee's reaction isn't something Scum posts.

Idk. It was kind of a bullshit response to me stating a legitimate fact his activity had fallen off. I don't think the anger is automatically a town reaction. Scum fake emotions all the time for advantages in conversation.

[innocentvillager]

Also fuck you That's my personal tinfoil hat!!! Luca is one of those players where I have a nasty habits of townreading too quickly... same with ISIS... And that bit me hard that one time ISIS was scum.

this is also probably a town rxn