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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:07 am

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Official Vote Count 1.05
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EliminationWith 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to eliminate someone.

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(5): Save the Dragons, DkKoba, Not_Mafia, Flea the Magician, Lukewarm
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(3): Dark Magician Girl, VFP, flow trap
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(3): Artemiana, NDMath, MiniVirgo

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(expired on 2021-04-24 19:00:00).


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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:08 am

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In post 549, VFP wrote:
In post 546, Lukewarm wrote:After all the work you put in to get VFP's reads, they finally offer to break down their reads on 3 players and you didn't take them up on it?
How is asking the same question 3 or 4 times considered as all of that work?
I mean they at least dedicated a lot of posts towards it . Just did a quick scan of their ISO, and 14 of their first 29 posts were directed at you / your reads. So it seemed like they were pretty invested in trying to get reads from you lol
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:11 am

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Don't get me wrong, they are probably town here and pushing me just makes their case stronger.
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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:14 am

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In post 544, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 542, DkKoba wrote:ok what is ur read there then
In post 543, flow trap wrote:I refuse to state
????
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:20 am

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@VFP have you played any games with either head of MiniVirgo?
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:23 am

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No, this is my first game on the site.
I did replace into a game with MMB where they replaced out before I joined though
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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:32 am

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You have an interesting stance of [geting frustrated with you = Town].

You read NDMath as town when they got frustrated with you, and now you also read MiniVirgo as town for getting frustrated with you. I don't know that that reaction is necessarily indicative of town behavior.

My counter example: I am town, and decided to just embrace the tone you were bringing to the game lol

To be clear, I am suspicious of MiniVirgo, but I am not using MiniVirgo's reaction to you as being indicative of being scum. The way people react to how you have played this game just seems more like a personality thing, not an alignment thing, and so it probably should not be used to form a town read on them. I am taking that as a null read indicator.
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:33 am

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I don't read them as town for getting frustrated with me.
That would be silly of me.
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:33 am

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In post 552, VFP wrote:Don't get me wrong, they are probably town here and pushing me just makes their case stronger.
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:34 am

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It's the "makes their case stronger" part that gives me that impression
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:37 am

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The odd thing is, this isn't how I normally play (outside of bastard games).
Personally I hate D1 and I prefer to sub into games to get something going.

That said only nm and Flea have a completed game with me and I don't think it AI at all that I'm not scum to them for it (maybe I am still to nm?) (Maybe I am to Flea?)
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:37 am

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In post 559, Lukewarm wrote:It's the "makes their case stronger" part that gives me that impression
Frustration doesn't mean pushing me. You said yourself they have been pushing me majority of the game. The frustration part has been getting stronger over time but yes can easily be faked.
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:30 am

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Maybe we should re-kick start the discussion using the never before seen (and therefore never before wrong) Lukewarm Town Block™

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(but not both)
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:30 am

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In post 556, Lukewarm wrote:My counter example: I am town, and decided to just embrace the tone you were bringing to the game lol
I object that's not a valid counter-example
"I'm not coming to your house with a paper shredder" - Flow

"I honestly had no idea how to converse with (Flow). (Flow) brought up architecture to start with and I was like "oh do you like architecture" and then he was like "uhm no I know nothing about it." And then he threw something out a window??"
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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:33 am

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In post 563, flow trap wrote:
In post 556, Lukewarm wrote:My counter example: I am town, and decided to just embrace the tone you were bringing to the game lol
I object that's not a valid counter-example
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:52 am

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All dogs are animals a cat being an animal does not disprove that all dogs are animals
A dog which is not an animal disproves all dogs are animals
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"I honestly had no idea how to converse with (Flow). (Flow) brought up architecture to start with and I was like "oh do you like architecture" and then he was like "uhm no I know nothing about it." And then he threw something out a window??"
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:11 am

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In post 565, flow trap wrote:All dogs are animals a cat being an animal does not disprove that all dogs are animals
A dog which is not an animal disproves all dogs are animals
Yeah, I don't really care to argue a point that has already been addressed by VFP. I don't think it will get us anywhere

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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:15 am

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In post 566, Lukewarm wrote:
Flow Trap
Before anyone gives me a stink eye for this, I am kidding with the color change. I have a null read on Flow Trap, with maybe a slight town lean.
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:47 am

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In post 518, VFP wrote:
In post 514, MiniVirgo wrote:All of them, how hard is this?
Okay when I'm at my PC ill tell you each read (3 hours odd)
For now unvote yourself.

If you want a discussion in the mean time then pock your topic.
I'm waiting for this still
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 10:57 am

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In post 568, Dark Magician Girl wrote:I'm waiting for this still
I'm at my PC now.
But I'm tired so here's this.

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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:30 am

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In post 533, DkKoba wrote:lets flip within flow/mini
Can you elaborate on why flow?


I still scumread VFP's lack of cooperation with others, but I do think Jackson's recent posting has been much worse and don't really see that slot putting half their posts towards asking for vfp's reads if they are S/S.

I townread Green Crayosn for his thoughts on JV, the progression looks quite natural.
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In post 565, flow trap wrote:All dogs are animals a cat being an animal does not disprove that all dogs are animals
A dog which is not an animal disproves all dogs are animals
Yeah, I don't really care to argue a point that has already been addressed by VFP. I don't think it will get us anywhere
I don't like this response; Flow trap points out you're using a fallacy in your reasoning and your first response is to call it unimportant rather than either modify your reasoning or argue that you didn't use a fallacy.
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:33 am

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In post 570, NDMath wrote:but I do think Jackson's recent posting has been much worse
I don't think Mini is scum here.
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:45 am

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In post 569, VFP wrote:
In post 568, Dark Magician Girl wrote:I'm waiting for this still
I'm at my PC now.
But I'm tired so here's this.

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Story of my life :cry:
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:25 pm

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In post 562, Lukewarm wrote:Maybe we should re-kick start the discussion using the never before seen (and therefore never before wrong) Lukewarm Town Block™

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Spoiler:
Read logic not included
Why do you have our slot there twice?

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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 12:30 pm

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In post 287, flow trap wrote:K I'm bored guess it's time to actually start reading people
I mean that is what you should be doing in this game. If you are town you should have been doing this already
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