It kinda was but like, not in the "it's a fake read" and more "you've backpedaled on scumreads when in similar situations before"In post 1494, Kismet wrote:yeah, sounded as if you were calling him out.
there's no substance to the votes on nacho and i'm really hardcore sure this isn't his scumgame, and the moment i push back on this people are trying to shove him through and cut me offIn post 1406, Venus Fly Trap wrote:i mean in my mind the game is kinda closed to solved tbhIn post 1314, petapan wrote:see i can already tell this whee let's all hold hands we're all so town everything is great and the game is solved on day 1 dynamic is incredibly unhealthy especially looking at where it's leading
and i'm wondering how many times you'll end up killing obvtown before you realize this townblock is toxic and you are being pocketed
and i see a lot of things pointing towards em being right, and i don't see a lot of things pointing towards me being wrong
not sure why 'toxic' is hte right word here, or who exactly is pocketing me, but ok
like what, give me an exampleIn post 1418, Venus Fly Trap wrote:nacho is just scum here and i'm baffled that you're townreading him: his read progression makes no sense and he's being blatantly oppurtusnistic and survivalistic, and just saying whatever if he thinks it'll ward away votes and/or get votes on a different wagon
isn't lilith like eminently more readable than you, what's the problem with him doing thatIn post 1438, Venus Fly Trap wrote:she is a little upset by what u said actuallyIn post 1426, Disaster Cartel wrote:Bc I’m not townreading you(pl) I’m townreading you(sing) and jury is still out on your slot overallIn post 1418, Venus Fly Trap wrote:i mean i didn't get the vibe that you were townreading me/us, i thought you were kinda putting us in your scumpool cuz of lilith
Basically
I think I can be wrong on you and right on lili where I’m TRing you and SRing her
But I think that if I’m TRing her then very likely your slot overall is town
Which is why I tried to extend her an olive branch because I would like to talk to her more. Was also never my intention to make her feel like she doesn’t want to play the game and I feel bad if that’s how she took me saying I didn’t wanna speak to her but I was feeling v pissed off at the time with how she was engaging with me
idk
i don't want to defend/towncase the other half of my slot cuz that would be weird but i don't think you're reading her well
and idk i still find it weird that you're reading us off of lilith and not me
I'm not really sure what you're referring to, but ok. what exactly r u finding troublesome with the current dynamicIn post 1501, petapan wrote:i bitched about this type of dynamic to you, i thought you were better than this, i guess not
@petaIn post 1428, Venus Fly Trap wrote:- uh his townread of me came out of thin air once other people were townreading meIn post 1421, Disaster Cartel wrote:okay can you run me through this more or give me the cliff notes à la KismetIn post 1418, Venus Fly Trap wrote:nacho is just scum here and i'm baffled that you're townreading him: his read progression makes no sense and he's being blatantly oppurtusnistic and survivalistic,
- the timing of his sircakez read was similarly bad
- at a time that he literally didn't have any scumreads, he kept trying to get notsci to commit to sheeping his reads in a way that looked manipulative/buddy-ish (i.e. capatilizing on the fact that notsci respects town-him's reads even tho he didn't have strong reads to speak of at the time)
- his l/g (now peta) vote looked like he was looking for places to vote
- unvoted just cuz peta repped into the slot and was defending him
like idk i don't see much good here
Cuz he's entered every game i've played with him in the past two years either townbinning me or making me a priority sort so for *him* (i.e. in particular) to not be approaching my slot thru me is weirdIn post 1502, petapan wrote:isn't lilith like eminently more readable than you, what's the problem with him doing that
this is me in almost every gameIn post 1448, Disaster Cartel wrote:This doesn’t really jam that well with what I know of peta who I think has been generally quite emotional and prickly when I’ve played with himIn post 1446, Venus Fly Trap wrote:peta isn't really the sort ot get pissed off at tho, and also i don't think that would lead him to scumread someone
I’m particularly thinking JK9++ when he felt he was getting shitpushed in the later game sections
In post 1446, Venus Fly Trap wrote:peta isn't really the sort ot get pissed off at tho, and also i don't think that would lead him to scumread someoneIn post 1443, Disaster Cartel wrote:I think it’s quite explicable as notsci is being dickish in how he’s pushing his reads and if I didn’t already TR him I can see how peta being pissed off with him translated that into seeing him as scumIn post 1441, Venus Fly Trap wrote:don't think peta has been townie (and don't think you can just brush off the 'weird' notsci push, but ok)
I think he’ll come round but I think notsci’s “oh sorry you repped into a scum slot” would be frustrating as either alignment and I think it’s pretty NAI that peta SR it
@nacho, no it doesn't really make me feel better but i'm not really that surprised
whatIn post 1453, Venus Fly Trap wrote:i actually don't think he was anything like this in jk9++, even when he was getting shitpushed later onIn post 1448, Disaster Cartel wrote:This doesn’t really jam that well with what I know of peta who I think has been generally quite emotional and prickly when I’ve played with himIn post 1446, Venus Fly Trap wrote:peta isn't really the sort ot get pissed off at tho, and also i don't think that would lead him to scumread someone
I’m particularly thinking JK9++ when he felt he was getting shitpushed in the later game sections
he kept trying to work with people to flip dats/nm
i replaced into a slot people are just writing off as scum with a wagon on someone who is obvious town to me, and people are trying to ram through that wagon before i have a chance to do anything, and so i've been on my backfoot this entire game. i have been scrambling and playing in the moment rather than trying to read through in an systemized fashion and so i am messy as fuck right now (but then, when have i ever presented my thoughts in an organized manner?)In post 1470, Infinity 324 wrote:The scummiest thing about peta so far is how he's pushing strongly for a thing he believes (nacho town, townbloc has scum) without having figured much out himself
the people voting nacho but calling you scum lmaoIn post 1475, Momrangal wrote:Who's protecting me?In post 1349, SirCakez wrote:Mom is a universal a undead but no traction came on her wagon
Seems pretty obvious what is going on there
In post 1503, Venus Fly Trap wrote:I'm not really sure what you're referring to, but ok. what exactly r u finding troublesome with the current dynamicIn post 1501, petapan wrote:i bitched about this type of dynamic to you, i thought you were better than this, i guess not
Also dont really like u handwaving away my nacho scumread
~ skitter
i am not handwaving it but i have firsthand experience with scum nacho and he's not like thisIn post 1504, Venus Fly Trap wrote:@petaIn post 1428, Venus Fly Trap wrote:- uh his townread of me came out of thin air once other people were townreading meIn post 1421, Disaster Cartel wrote:okay can you run me through this more or give me the cliff notes à la KismetIn post 1418, Venus Fly Trap wrote:nacho is just scum here and i'm baffled that you're townreading him: his read progression makes no sense and he's being blatantly oppurtusnistic and survivalistic,
- the timing of his sircakez read was similarly bad
- at a time that he literally didn't have any scumreads, he kept trying to get notsci to commit to sheeping his reads in a way that looked manipulative/buddy-ish (i.e. capatilizing on the fact that notsci respects town-him's reads even tho he didn't have strong reads to speak of at the time)
- his l/g (now peta) vote looked like he was looking for places to vote
- unvoted just cuz peta repped into the slot and was defending him
like idk i don't see much good here
why would I reeval when you keep making scummy posts?In post 1383, Disaster Cartel wrote:because you’re scum, you had a shitty scumread on me that you couldn’t justify, I intereogated that and you didn’t really have any reasons for it but I’m saying that if I’d then said “oh I’m not calling you out on this bc I want to see if you use the fact that the SR was super weak and this engagement to re-evaluate or not before I commit on you being scum” then that would have entirely defeated the pointIn post 1378, SirCakez wrote:2 doesn't make any sense
A free guide to getting a TR from you like what? Why would I want you to townread me when I scumread you?
for example this postIn post 1385, Disaster Cartel wrote:I do not want a solidified townbloc without me in it with two slots that I am absolutely not comfortable calling town with any level of confidence in it (and who I think are like reasonable equity partners if either one flip scum and a significant portion of my scum bloc is wrong)In post 1379, Kismet wrote:who are you actually scumreading in (me, noddy, infinity, vfp) rather than just saying haven't left their range yet
good restatement of what I'm thinkingIn post 1402, Venus Fly Trap wrote:yesIn post 1398, notscience wrote:For the record maras near 95% scum with that and her not voting nacho when she had a scumread there is sketchy
the thing with scum-nacho is that i think he's going to get harder to flip as time goes on; if we flip scum the people who'd be pushing him are gonna die
^^^^^^In post 1414, notscience wrote:The more vocal people die the more nacho can strongarm.
Nacho or bust.
and this is so survivalistic
all of my townreads scumread you so yeahIn post 1439, Nachomamma8 wrote:There was a point where Cakez was correctly reading me but I see it didn't last. Is OK. Got all my aggression out there.
like this just seems soooo manipulative and angled to better match a gamestate where VFT is town and Nacho is scumIn post 1444, Nachomamma8 wrote:If it makes you feel better I'm working back to a scumread on you!In post 1441, Venus Fly Trap wrote:ok see if you can explain his townread on me, i'll wait
don't fall for Mena's AtE pleaseIn post 1472, Infinity 324 wrote:Yeah, it's just salsa and mena both feel quite towny to me atm
and what if Nacho is scum, like many think?In post 1475, Momrangal wrote:And you think this despite the massive push back against him? You think this despite the fact that there are people defending him?
Right now it looks like Nacho is the easiest elimination if town. Why do you have such a dramatic reaction to my vote and why are you so keen to ignore everything that has already happened around NM?
You must have a terrible opinion on my scum game if you think Im gonna run away from a Nacho!partner pursuit
nobody but until recently no wagon could form on youIn post 1475, Momrangal wrote:Who's protecting me?
keep reading we talk about thisIn post 1475, Momrangal wrote:This makes no sense. Even if nacho is scum, town doesn't need a total scum wipe to win
this looks like a buddy posturing around another buddyIn post 1498, Momrangal wrote:Nacho himself is largely null but if I'm right about the circumstances around NM and Nachos push there, circumstantially I think hes likely town
What would you call the whole thing of Nacho gaining alot of headturns due to his early NM push,
In post 1246, petapan wrote:cakez i know you wanting to catch me is funny memes and all but this aint the game where it gets to happen
In post 1251, notscience wrote:Bulge get your butt in here and be my Goose.
I’m not rolling over and nacho trying to derail onto bulge is sus as fuck and I will go through this entire game if I have to
In post 1255, notscience wrote:Bork he’s been half assed distancing for the last half of the day. How does this not make sense that nacho would bus a weaker buddy and try to coast on the towncred after the people who can argue him down are dead.
In post 1257, notscience wrote:Would a scum team of mena nacho mom lg notmaf want to let nacho die or the habitual lurk scum. If you are townreading this wagon of four you have to understand scum want no part in killing nacho which should tell you anyone trying to derail it is immediately sus.
In post 1230, petapan wrote:he starts off the game with a move that draws negative attention to himself like trying to policy n_m as scum because he knows he'll get blowback,