Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

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Vote Count 1-23

Nachomamma8

(5): Infinity 324, notscience, SirCakez, Venus Fly Trap, Salsabil Faria

Momrangal

(3): petapan, Disaster Cartel, Nachomamma8

Not_Mafia

(2): Not_Mafia, Momrangal

Not Voting

(2): The Bulge, Kismet

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline: April 26, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-04-25 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- The Bulge has been prodded.
- If you need mod assistance for the next couple of days, please PM both Syryana and me.
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[Salsabil Faria]

I just lost by javelin throw bussing I’m not that dumb to do it again lmao

But yes that was me.

[Salsabil Faria]

mine

[Salsabil Faria]

Eh, I don't like this vote.

y

Your vote here looks like as

Venus Fly Trap

don't want to eliminate/vote

Not_Mafia

, you take this as a challenge or you scumread him for that or both which was not clear to me. Then I start to read page #7 and it seems the vote is because of the meta, which also not enough to vote

Not_Mafia

fmpov.

@Disaster Cartel

, what was your take on my reply?

[Salsabil Faria]

Vote: SirCakez

I don't believe his scumread on his disaster and I don't believe his scumread on me. I'll get into it later when I have more time.

uh so these nacho and sircakez interactions are certainly A Thing

~ skitter

What did you mean? and why?

I think we're on the same page re:nacho and cakez!

About?

Instead of just shutting the fuck up, targeting elsewhere, and then going after NM for not doing anything and potentially having quickhammered in lylo

So, if I'm reading right, fyo, if we don't eliminate

Not_Mafia

on Day 1, he'll land straight on the lylo??

[notscience]

I just lost by javelin throw bussing I’m not that dumb to do it again lmao

But yes that was me.

I just powerbussed and lost as scum I wouldn’t be bussing nacho I figured that was your implication

But I was the mod of that game. I’m diff as a player.

[notscience]

At that point I was scumreading both nacho and Cakez abd thought it looked s/a

I don’t think Cakez is scum anymore

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: leafy and glacey

-Mena

Reason?

I would also love to hear thoughts on my point that I think scum are bus!disincentivised unless in a lot of trouble,
-Mena

I mean, don't scums normally want to buss their partner(s) if it's not necessary?

and the fact that there seems to be no appetite for NM is therefore +scum

Don't understand this part. Are you saying who are defending

Not_Mafia

here are scums? I don't agree.
FYI, I'm not particularly townreading

Not_Mafia

, he kind of always in my null list.

EBWOP

Nacho looks relatively towny from an Objective StandpointTM but I don't have that many doubts about him being scum

I'll rephrase this, I have doubts about being scum but he's still >rand scum which is scummier than NM

Aren't

Disaster Cartel

doing the same thing as

Nachomamma8

?

Mena what are your reads?

Tentatively

Notsci — town
Nacho

VFT — lean town
Infinity

BHL — null
Salsa
NM
Bulge

Kismet — lean scum
Cakez
Leafy/glacey

This is without ydra’s input tho, we’ll try to get a unified list up when she’s around later

-Mena

I don't understand from your posts that why do you townread

notscience

but scumread

Kismet

?
Also don't like your vote on

Leafeon and Glaceon

. A very easy slot to push atp (I'm on page #19), especially after they said they're feeling less motivated because of their hydra partner's inactiveness. Bigger fish to try (like

Kismet

from you scum read list) but still go for the easiest one is scummy imo. That's being said.....

UNVOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: Disaster Cartel

[Salsabil Faria]

To those I asked question(s), if you answered already you don't have to answer it again. I'm quoting these to separate from my wall-posts.

[Salsabil Faria]

Page 20-22

cuz sircakez did have a few ok posts last night

Ok later!
~ skitter

You're saying I'm not trying to figure his alignment out. Great. I am trying to figure his alignment out - how am I supposed to show that to you? Are the reasons for him being scum unreasonable? Does my push on him fail to outline a scum agenda?

This feels like something scum would say to look like frustrated town, the tone is just...not quite there.

What do you think about his 476?

Mena if you touch a hair on Borks head I will run you into the ground tia

This feels towny for notsci and bork

How?

town?
notscience

bad
Mom
Bulge

worse
VFT

I want to know the reasons for these.

[Salsabil Faria]

Not sure if you've gotten to it yet, I think beeboy's read on me was towny.

Why?

I'm not confident in my ability to read cakez, but he feels pretty towny tbh

How?

if I'm having a hard time following and understanding Nacho's reasons for his initial push of NM, his read on our slot, the kind of "agenda" that he's presenting to people for why he acts in certain ways, then I think he's way more likely to be scum based on my own experiences.

Well, then why are you singling out

Nachomamma8

only?

Menalque

(from

Disaster Cartel

) also has same

Not_Mafia

agenda, but don't understand why everyone is scumreading

Nachomamma8

but not

Menalque

for this?
I also don't like when 2 heads of the same hydra have completely different pov, it's hard for me to sort them.

oh hi bulge

what did you think about beeboy posting 523 right after that?

- lilith

i think the exchange between inf and leaf ended very unnaturally. then beeboy sort of takes his turn after, tying it back with a mutual TR on inf. all of his other posts in that burst are completely pointless filler

What were (are) you thinking about

Disaster Cartel

that time (or now)?

[Salsabil Faria]

I do think nacho believes it's protown to lim NM here, but he's scum for other reasons

Can you mention the other reasons again if you already posted?

Bulge do you have other reasons to scum read infinity outside the exchange she had with me?

~Glaceon

yes

Can you share the reasons if you don't yet?

notscience

's 685 is good, though I want to know more your thoughts about

SirCakez

and

Leafeon and Glaceon

. Why did you think they're town that time?

Would [scum] go out of their way to discredit and deter someone with a high likelihood of scumreading them?

Would [towb] go out of their way to discredit and deter someone with a high likelihood of scumreading them?

I don't get it, can you elaborate?

[Off topic: can anyone explain to me this

naunce

word please?]

[Salsabil Faria]

You (and to a lesser extent Bork) will likely mislynch me even though you should know me better by now, and you will be responsible taking my voice out of the game. I'm asking for you to follow my reads after my death until they steer us wrong, which yes is absolutely something I'd do for you.

Don't you think you're getting paranoid again??

^ group is all subject to re-eval tomorrow (including infinity, and those are pretty separate tiers hence the spacing, but i am squicked enough by the people pushing l&g that i have lost any interest in that wagon)

Wut? People will push their scumreads all the time, why will you lost interest if you're not townreading them?? Or you're townreading them?

holding vft to the same level as notsci and infinity is also silly - yes vft is town but those two left their scumranges a long long time ago and skitter hasn't done anything that absurdly town

Wait, didn't you just change your read on

Venus Fly Trap

a few/few hours earlier???

[Salsabil Faria]

notscience

hasn't made a huge splash in the game so far, but I would probably be suspicious if he was putting himself front and centre trying to keep a hold on the reins of the game. most of what he's done so far is reach out to familiar players, and present theories and takes as non-sequiturs, all par for the course.

I'm not a big fan of his nacho case.

I think town notty would be more likely to want to assume a more assertive role in the town, but that could be affected by playerlist. I think with fewer players who know him, notty would feel more comfortable and free to break from his usual posting style. most of what he's done so far is give reads and push suspicions. I don't like the way he throws his vote around. I would expect town notty to be a little more meek in a way. he hasn't done much apart from replying to direct questions, and asking his own, but he only follows up in the moment and rarely comes back to past conversations. however, I do appreciate the consistency with which he maintains his lines of questioning ever after a lilt in discussion.

The wall on nacho is pretty convincing

. notty hasn't done anything this game except throw down votes and vibe with his friends. If he were scum I think he'd see an opportunity in this setup to take more control of the game's trajectory. I don't think we need to worry about this slot, but I have my eye on him.

okay i just want to clear up bulge: are you talking about two separate things (that i bolded) because you're saying you're not a big fan of the case and then you're like, actually it's convincing and that makes no sense to me

- ydra

Quoting this if

The Bulge

don't give a reply on this yet.

My reasons for SRing nacho don't really have to do with him SRing NM, he just feels fake to me.

Can you elaborate more?

Cakes, infinity, VFP, NM, Bulge

Do you want to share reasons if you didn't already? And, they are in your scum pool?

Why did you think 97 or 230 could be AI at all?

Bulge why didn't you ask a clarifying question about the skitt read? Or try to take into account the context (skitt's overall enjoyment of playing scum lately)?

Hmm.... I also want to know

The Bulge

's pov here.

[Salsabil Faria]

I just lost by javelin throw bussing I’m not that dumb to do it again lmao

But yes that was me.

I just powerbussed and lost as scum I wouldn’t be bussing nacho I figured that was your implication

But I was the mod of that game. I’m diff as a player.

Where did I imply that??

[SirCakez]

Kismet + NM = hammer

[notscience]

Regarding my would [scum] and [town] post- Nacho entered the game and it’s mentioning how Cakez always scumread him and I was asking if that behavior is something more likely to be seen from town or scum.

Re/implication- you were saying I was suspicious for being positive nacho was scum, I figured you were going for a TMI angle

[Momrangal]

and what if Nacho is scum, like many think?
what do you mean what has happened around NM?

Then my theory is wrong.

The theory can easily be tested through a NM flip but nobody wants to even think about it. Nacho!town would be a recipient of the chainsaw defense to save NM. Nacho!scum would never be a recipient. If NM flips scum, Nacho is conftown

[Infinity 324]

NM was never in danger, also who's the scum pushing nacho

[Kismet]

re: hammering. Let's please pump the breaks. I want to hear peta's meta reasoning for nacho town in detail and I want nacho's updated reads before anything else happens.

I agree w/ infinity about nm - mara your premise only really works if hypothetical nm-partners go and see nacho's early pressure as a legitimate threat.

which i don't really think was ever the case for anyone

[SirCakez]

and what if Nacho is scum, like many think?
what do you mean what has happened around NM?

Then my theory is wrong.

The theory can easily be tested through a NM flip but nobody wants to even think about it. Nacho!town would be a recipient of the chainsaw defense to save NM. Nacho!scum would never be a recipient. If NM flips scum, Nacho is conftown

why would we flip NM first when Nacho gives 10x info?

[Not_Mafia]

I'm town

[Kismet]

The theory can easily be tested through a NM flip but nobody wants to even think about it

i'm just worried about the value proposition we get here if we're wrong. It's like the best gamestate possible for scum to flip town-nm on d1.

that said, his utter sandbagging, which i find more egregious than even usual, means we probably should flip him at some point

[notscience]

He’s probably scum, yes.

I think “nacho clear if notmaf is scum” is literally the entire reason that it was done in the first place.

[Kismet]

like i feel like most people's opinions on n_m early game are likely philosophical in nature and therefore rather less likely than normal to be AI

or at least I am not a good enough reader to tell the difference