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[Andante]

Wait so basically Pooky is Town almost for sure unless Traitor right? Might be interesting to see how that wagon was building yesterday.

ng means nothing really, pooky just can't claim cop lol

[Andante]

What the Scum could have been thinking (but this is a massive trade-off) is that if Koba shoots incorrectly, and is cleared, then if they more firmly indicate where they’re shooting, it absolutely condemns someone if Koba comes out dead the following day. But I just don’t understand that. Clearly they have an RB. Until they make themselves obvious with their shot, you let them shoot. It’s negative utility. That’s just how I see it.

you're currently sounding like traitor pissed at your scum partners, and are trying to tell them to not roleblock Koba again. I could be wrong, but it just really feels like you're the traitor, with the number of times you keep saying this.

You must think I’m an idiot.

no, not at all, whoever killed the tracker was not the smartest lmao so if that wasn't you, you're good! I'm just saying, you sound like the angry traitor XD

[Andresvmb]

What the Scum could have been thinking (but this is a massive trade-off) is that if Koba shoots incorrectly, and is cleared, then if they more firmly indicate where they’re shooting, it absolutely condemns someone if Koba comes out dead the following day. But I just don’t understand that. Clearly they have an RB. Until they make themselves obvious with their shot, you let them shoot. It’s negative utility. That’s just how I see it.

you're currently sounding like traitor pissed at your scum partners, and are trying to tell them to not roleblock Koba again. I could be wrong, but it just really feels like you're the traitor, with the number of times you keep saying this.

You must think I’m an idiot.

If I’m Traitor pissed at my Scum Partners, I don’t put out all of the logic out there to get them to rethink their actions when it’s too late to affect the outcome. I just eat it.

[Asteria]

Koba claims to have shot at VFP. They’re both alive. So some stopping ability occurred. But Asteria was able to check VFP, and has ruled them as Vanilla.

Yep, so roleblocker, not stopper if anything

[Andresvmb]

no, not at all, whoever killed the tracker was not the smartest lmao so if that wasn't you, you're good! I'm just saying, you sound like the angry traitor XD

I was openly dismissive of the Tracker Claim, strongly fighting the slot, and calling them Scum. I never shoot there. You must realize there aren’t a lot of situation a Scum containing me shoots there N1.

[Asteria]

Which almost certainly means that one of {Asteria, Koba} is Scum.

If there’s a Town RB, you probably never block Koba there. I would think. I can’t think of a good reason you would, unless you thought they were Scum and lying about their role.

Nope, Koba could have been roleblocked by scum. Scum wanted to get the "tracker", roleblock the vig, leave the GS because in this case scum only have 1 gun anyway so it's not very likely they would get checked (maybe this is indicative of Andante townreading the gun holding scum?).

I'm having a hard time not seeing this in bad faith Andres. I'm reading it as you want town to eliminate a PR while scum goes ahead and NKs another.

[Andresvmb]

Which almost certainly means that one of {Asteria, Koba} is Scum.

If there’s a Town RB, you probably never block Koba there. I would think. I can’t think of a good reason you would, unless you thought they were Scum and lying about their role.

Nope, Koba could have been roleblocked by scum. Scum wanted to get the "tracker", roleblock the vig, leave the GS because in this case scum only have 1 gun anyway so it's not very likely they would get checked (maybe this is indicative of Andante townreading the gun holding scum?).

I'm having a hard time not seeing this in bad faith Andres. I'm reading it as you want town to eliminate a PR while scum goes ahead and NKs another.

My vote is on a vanilla role. Your interpretation is absurd on its face.

[Andresvmb]

Like either confirmed Vanilla or Scum. According to you.

[Asteria]

I can’t find a really strong justification for the first one, and since it doesn’t quite square with a VT Claim and check, I’m leaning towards the second.

VFP is town. If you're town try looking at the game with the assumption I am being honest here, even just temporarily

[Andante]

no, not at all, whoever killed the tracker was not the smartest lmao so if that wasn't you, you're good! I'm just saying, you sound like the angry traitor XD

I was openly dismissive of the Tracker Claim, strongly fighting the slot, and calling them Scum. I never shoot there. You must realize there aren’t a lot of situation a Scum containing me shoots there N1.

oh I know, just like osuka wouldn't have shot there, Koba wasn't even sure who the tracker claim was? which idk, if Koba was shooting VFP, a sr, they surely would've seen Robert was our tracker, so ehhh could koba be like an even night maf vig? but then that's super scum sided idk, I'm not sure on this setup, but salsa is acting exactly like I do as scum, so I'm more inclined to call her scum, the page analysis stuff... 100% me as scum, giant analysis posts/reactions to old old posts is super easy to do as scum, and it makes everyone tr you for 0 reason

[Asteria]

ill explain later but asteria admitting that they saw i would choose my shot based on flip and choosing the person people were scumreading most there is like peak admittance of guilt. like knowing that it was going to potentially be dead and checking it ? yeah ok.

like wow the person thats being pushed on is suddenly cleared lol

yeah they were flipping scum and u needed to pull a miracle out of your hat.

I didn't know you were shooting at vfp.

[Andante]

Which almost certainly means that one of {Asteria, Koba} is Scum.

If there’s a Town RB, you probably never block Koba there. I would think. I can’t think of a good reason you would, unless you thought they were Scum and lying about their role.

Nope, Koba could have been roleblocked by scum. Scum wanted to get the "tracker", roleblock the vig, leave the GS because in this case scum only have 1 gun anyway so it's not very likely they would get checked (maybe this is indicative of Andante townreading the gun holding scum?).

I'm having a hard time not seeing this in bad faith Andres. I'm reading it as you want town to eliminate a PR while scum goes ahead and NKs another.

bad faith in andres? you sure about that? I really don't see andres killing Robert there

[Andante]

ill explain later but asteria admitting that they saw i would choose my shot based on flip and choosing the person people were scumreading most there is like peak admittance of guilt. like knowing that it was going to potentially be dead and checking it ? yeah ok.

like wow the person thats being pushed on is suddenly cleared lol

yeah they were flipping scum and u needed to pull a miracle out of your hat.

I didn't know you were shooting at vfp.

LMAO bs

[Andresvmb]

I can’t find a really strong justification for the first one, and since it doesn’t quite square with a VT Claim and check, I’m leaning towards the second.

VFP is town. If you're town try looking at the game with the assumption I am being honest here, even just temporarily

You’re defending a slot a lot of folks think is Scum. You’re asking me not to skeptical. I can’t do that.

[Asteria]

Wait so basically Pooky is Town almost for sure unless Traitor right? Might be interesting to see how that wagon was building yesterday.

Traitors don't have guns. Pooky can be doc or traitor if mafia

[Andante]

Hey pooky,

you've had like no game related reaction today, what's up? you were the one who really wanted Dragons, we got you Dragons, and dragons flipped town, now you're basically MIA

[Salsabil Faria]

Well, I think my vote will be in {

Asteria

,

VFP

} today and I also think having a mafia doc implies town has to have a killer role which clears

DkKoba

as a town.

VOTE: Asteria

[Asteria]

Which almost certainly means that one of {Asteria, Koba} is Scum.

If there’s a Town RB, you probably never block Koba there. I would think. I can’t think of a good reason you would, unless you thought they were Scum and lying about their role.

Nope, Koba could have been roleblocked by scum. Scum wanted to get the "tracker", roleblock the vig, leave the GS because in this case scum only have 1 gun anyway so it's not very likely they would get checked (maybe this is indicative of Andante townreading the gun holding scum?).

I'm having a hard time not seeing this in bad faith Andres. I'm reading it as you want town to eliminate a PR while scum goes ahead and NKs another.

My vote is on a vanilla role. Your interpretation is absurd on its face.

Yes, but you're still pushing the PR claims

[Andante]

Asteria, you said you checked VFP cause everyone was SRing the slot, but you also said you're trying to check VT's and not PR/Scum

I fail to see how checking a top level SR is trying to find a VT

[Andresvmb]

I need to think about this whole thing. Can somebody run down what they think it means if VFP flips VT? If VFP flips Scum, that’s really obvious. Asteria is Scum and we’re close to a victory. But if VFP flips Town?

[Asteria]

Asteria, you said you checked VFP cause everyone was SRing the slot, but you also said you're trying to check VT's and not PR/Scum

I fail to see how checking a top level SR is trying to find a VT

I didn't share the same scumread

[Andante]

Well, I think my vote will be in {

Asteria

,

VFP

} today and I also think having a mafia doc implies town has to have a killer role which clears

DkKoba

as a town.

VOTE: Asteria

That was also my thinking with Koba, like, no one here has CCed a killing role, yet Koba found themself E-2 at the start of day...

[Andresvmb]

Which almost certainly means that one of {Asteria, Koba} is Scum.

If there’s a Town RB, you probably never block Koba there. I would think. I can’t think of a good reason you would, unless you thought they were Scum and lying about their role.

Nope, Koba could have been roleblocked by scum. Scum wanted to get the "tracker", roleblock the vig, leave the GS because in this case scum only have 1 gun anyway so it's not very likely they would get checked (maybe this is indicative of Andante townreading the gun holding scum?).

I'm having a hard time not seeing this in bad faith Andres. I'm reading it as you want town to eliminate a PR while scum goes ahead and NKs another.

My vote is on a vanilla role. Your interpretation is absurd on its face.

Yes, but you're still pushing the PR claims

Claiming PR is not immediately clearing. I don’t know why you think everyone just needs to ignore the PR claims or at the very least not try to make sense of them. And you’re also trying to get me executed and I’m Town so no I don’t trust you.

[Andante]

Asteria, you said you checked VFP cause everyone was SRing the slot, but you also said you're trying to check VT's and not PR/Scum

I fail to see how checking a top level SR is trying to find a VT

I didn't share the same scumread

so you decided to not take into account what people said? It's why I checked Pooky, cause of all the mixed comments on the slot, and reading your ISO, you had almost no interaction with VFP d1...

[Asteria]

I need to think about this whole thing. Can somebody run down what they think it means if VFP flips VT? If VFP flips Scum, that’s really obvious. Asteria is Scum and we’re close to a victory. But if VFP flips Town?

VFP will flip town. Which honestly proves nothing about me which is frustrating. People are saying I could be scum who is guessing who the VTs are to claim them.

I'm half inclined to tell you to just vote me if you're going to try to elim VFP instead. At least then you know VFP is town when I flip neapolitan and I doubt I survive to D4 to out my next results anyway