Mini 2206 - Deja Vu: Perpetual MELO IV - END!

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Vote Count 2-3

Not_Mafia

(4): Infinity 324, Iverson, Disaster Cartel, SirCakez

Not Voting

(6): The Bulge, Venus Fly Trap, Momrangal, Kismet, notscience, Not_Mafia

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Deadline: May 11, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-05-10 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Kismet]

i guess i didn't realize salsa joined that wagon too

why does salsa slot in particular look worse after that flip

[SirCakez]

A lot of it is me going back to my reads from yesterday and reevaluating with the flips we have now.

you think the entirety of the nacho wagon up until L-1 was town after reevaluation?

I didn't say this, what? I am looking at both Salsa slot and Bulge as scum who could have also been scum on wagon. I feel pretty strongly about my VFT, infinity and notty townreads

You are giving the reads about 30 seconds apart. It is very unclear what you are looking at, what spurs the statements, and what time you are spending processing them.

Ok? I never write out everything I'm thinking.

[SirCakez]

i guess i didn't realize salsa joined that wagon too

why does salsa slot in particular look worse after that flip

I'm thinking about how she spent so much time attacking DC but ended up on Nacho anyways

[SirCakez]

Well, to be very honest,

Nachomamma8

is still in my re-evaluation group cause I just can't sort him. But I also think, his wagon is the best bet for upcoming days atp.

UNVOTE: Disaster Cartel

VOTE: Nachomamma8

This vote especially looks bad
Like preemptively setting up for the townflip

[Iverson]

Cakez, there are two implications here. Both are bad.

One is that they're just fake reads from scum, split up to give the appearance of cognition.

The other is that you're not putting any thought into them at all.

[SirCakez]

hmm don't expect much from me tonight but I could vote nancho

VOTE: nacho

hammer range?

hmmmm

[SirCakez]

Cakez, there are two implications here. Both are bad.

One is that they're just fake reads from scum, split up to give the appearance of cognition.

The other is that you're not putting any thought into them at all.

Have you ever played with me before? Read my meta and come back.

[Iverson]

Cakez, there are two implications here. Both are bad.

One is that they're just fake reads from scum, split up to give the appearance of cognition.

The other is that you're not putting any thought into them at all.

Have you ever played with me before? Read my meta and come back.

Yes. "I don't really think as town either" is not the defense you think it is.

[Kismet]

I'm thinking about how she spent so much time attacking DC but ended up on Nacho anyways

i'll consider this. i don't think it's a bad point although would obviously be stronger w/ a DC scum flip

[Iverson]

FWIW now you're explaining and thinking, talking about the initial set

[Kismet]

it's more about at what point in the game day did she switch

because at some point someone's gotta declare a DC push as not viable for the day and move, regardless of alignment

[SirCakez]

Cakez, there are two implications here. Both are bad.

One is that they're just fake reads from scum, split up to give the appearance of cognition.

The other is that you're not putting any thought into them at all.

Have you ever played with me before? Read my meta and come back.

Yes. "I don't really think as town either" is not the defense you think it is.

This is an extremely stupid argument

[SirCakez]

it's more about at what point in the game day did she switch

because at some point someone's gotta declare a DC push as not viable for the day and move, regardless of alignment

Her vote seems like total fluffballs though
It wasn't like a "well i have to move for deadline"

[Kismet]

even considering that potential point, i'm still keeping cakez at arm's length right now.

VOTE: Not Mafia

also
what the hell is this?

if Nacho flips scum then we have a great scum pool of (Mom, Peta, DC,

NM

) to work with

is somewhat problematic cogdis for me and doesn't allow for mara being town who didn't want to vote nacho

it's even worse considering this is essentially the scum pool cakez has anyway (or at least cakez is still scumreading all of these slots)

trajectory on mara in particular is very sloppy to me.

[Kismet]

Her vote seems like total fluffballs though

i mean how was it really any different from what you did?

[Iverson]

Now that you're explaining to Kismet, sure. My point is that being more thoughtful and transparent goes much further than tossing random reads 30s apart with no context, explanation, or visible process.

I'm not your mafia coach though and I'd rather just leave it to Kismet to juice you for content, so keep going.

[Kismet]

Ok I trust you + notscience on this.

VOTE: Nacho

this i think has the same kind of energy to it as the salsa post you're referencing

[Not_Mafia]

Scum are going all out to get 2-0 and put us on the back foot for the rest of the game, there’s at least 1, probably 2 scum already on me here, if I were scum I would 100% have been the sacrifice

Name names.

Disaster, infinity and cakez

[Kismet]

i guess my big point here is that people who think mara is scum should either be

1) pushing mara, "hot amazeballs scum counterwagon to flipped town"
2) finding who in the fuck was scum pushing nacho, which mara built up as a counterwagon to

going on nm to me, as someone who thinks mara is scum out of the gate is ?????????

[Iverson]

ISOing NM it seems like he just wants to see how far he can get in this table playing like a dead fish. He knew exactly what he signed up for as town, that doesn't mean I expect him to turn tryhard but the hesitance to be wrong in his callout and to name names suggests he's scum.

P-Edit: Oh hello there. Talk more about those? Why am I excluded?

[Iverson]

I still mostly think Mara is town; i think her reaction to the nacho wagon is definitely the road not taken and she could've easily hopped on Nacho as a survivalist effort or made herself the 6th vote knowing i was basically going to hammer at deadline and wanted nacho more than i wanted her

peta was also the biggest driver on that wagon and it makes sense as scum if he was going to come in w/ the express purpose of defending nacho it was with the intent of creating a wagon on another townie

instead she said she'd rather take the no-elim - which as she correctly pointed out, isn't anti-town on D1

I wanted to intentionally hold off commenting on this Mara until I read what happened, but given how far out that is and the dialogue with Cakez right now I want to note that I'm super interested in this line of thinking and find the followup by Kismet very, very town.

[Not_Mafia]

I think you're town and Salsa is pretty transparent, cakez whole trajectory is pretty disgusting, he makes posts with a lot of words and looks like he's solving but his conclusions are always so surface level and obvious

[SirCakez]

Ok I trust you + notscience on this.

VOTE: Nacho

this i think has the same kind of energy to it as the salsa post you're referencing

Salsa did not have anyone actively poking her onto Nacho though

[SirCakez]

I think you're town and Salsa is pretty transparent, cakez whole trajectory is pretty disgusting, he makes posts with a lot of words and looks like he's solving but his conclusions are always so surface level and obvious

Lmao