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[Cabd]

You're welcome, I guess?

[samantha97]

do I still have to claim if I'm a doctor cop miller

[Marky Mark]

Just jumped on the thread to read up and it seems to have gained 15 pages or so since my last vist smh. Will try to skim read quickly then post some thoughts

[NDMath]

Agree That Enchant/Kitty appear scum/scum. I'm struggling to wrap my mind around a townie who wants to trick people into quickhammering before the claim but doesn't stick with that goal after the claim. I have mixed thoughts on the claim itself though.

Spoiler: these two posts are the worst of the bunch

OMG I HAVE A CAKE NEXT TO MY NAME

WORSHIP ME

by unvoting kitty and going after the real scum here, Cabd

Did you miss the part when Enchant scumslipped?

I don't want how to tell you.

But it was trick, so i could hammer him. Now it's not like i want too though.

Nice hammer, you killed your cop. Vig on Vasex.

Scumreading Samantha and Anya more now for similar reasons. In particular I don't see 704 as at all a scummy post. They've each had quite static and unexpansive reads for the amount they've posted, though this applies moreso to sam. ie 976 "Kitty's reaction bad" and "No scumslip", neither of these are even plausibly gonna change anyone else's opinions, and there's nothing for either Kitty or T3 to argue with.


I'm townreading kerset now, the fake hammer test (845 and 846) is something that comes from town. Specifically because of how straightforward and not overdone it was.

VOTE: samantha97

[Marky Mark]

UNVOTE:
I'm firmly with Nero on this one. Kitty feels scummy but I'm happy to give her a reprieve until D2 as the reward of a guilty/inno on a slot is worth the risk IMO.

IF

she is town, it also forces scum to make difficult decisions as do they kill the investigative or let them live in the hope they can line up a miselim on them D2.

I'm really not seeing the Enchant "slip" - just looks like a joke to me. I can believe that T3 genuinely believes it, but I am less sure that Vasex does, purely based off the respective tone of their posts.

Rathe's 878 was really weird and seemed to be suggesting Vasex thought Kitty was a Mafia cop, which was a really random/weird conclusion to arrive at.

IGMEOY Rathe

[Marky Mark]

NDMath asked me why I am hard TRing Samantha - the answer is pretty basic, they've just really felt on the same page as my POV this game. I don't agree with them on WindowsXP being scummy (Koba's tone/approach here feels fairly different to Bending, where they were scum), but I hardly think that post is a smoking gun against them

[WindowsXP]

i wasnt even aware anyone scumread me rn LOOL

[Marky Mark]

Votecount 1.11 (after Etine claim)
Etine [6] - WindowsXP, T3, DeathNote, Nero Cain, Anya, KittyTacky

Votecount 1.12
Etine [5] - WindowsXP, T3, DeathNote, Nero Cain, KittyTacky

Etine's claim and follow up posts felt very townflaily, I reckon there's a very good chance of hitting scum within the group that stayed on the wagon post claim. T3 and Kitty would be the primary suspects IMO here, particularly as I think WinXP and Death just hadn't posted in the thread in a while iirc.

[Marky Mark]

Agree That Enchant/Kitty appear scum/scum. I'm struggling to wrap my mind around a townie who wants to trick people into quickhammering before the claim but doesn't stick with that goal after the claim. I have mixed thoughts on the claim itself though.

Tagging this for my own ISO. I'm somewhat SRing NDMath and the associatives here with Enchant/Kitty will be worth coming back to I reckon, although idk what to make of them rn

[Marky Mark]

Another random thought - Dunnstral/T3 6/8 on kitty wagon and I can see bus potential here

Like this is my first 21 player game, so I don't know what the bussing sweet spot is but I could deffo see the momentum going inexorably towards a kitty elim and one or both of those two jumping on board for towncred

[Marky Mark]

My current view of the gamestate. Tbqh, some of these aren't super fleshed out as I don't have the time and can't do the mental gymnastics to keep an accurate and up-to-date view of each of the other 20 slots in my head all at once

Town
Nero
Etine
Samantha
Kerset

Townish
STD
WinXP
Death
Vasex

Null
Enchant
Andres
DCL
DGB
Cabd
Anya
Arte

Scummy
Rathe
NDMath
T3
Dunnstral
Kitty

[T3]

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

[Marky Mark]

can people stop claiming under 0 pressure lol

It's really not in the town's wincon

[Cabd]

Tenet and WH13 called, something about "claiming the entire town power base for no fucking reason day one"

[Marky Mark]

I was debating a vote on T3 but I have just enough doubt that their push on the enchant "slip" could be genuinely misguided as opposed to malicious

I don't like the cabd wagon. They are too null for me and they've already provided the town value in terms of setup spec experience, so I'm gonna start a vanity wagon as an alternative

VOTE: Dunnstral Minimal analysis/scrutiny this game outside of their push on STD, a slot that I'm townreading. Decent amount of lurking and mechtalk and the #8 slot vote on kitty without much in the way of context or follow-up.

--pedit lol Cabd

[Marky Mark]

Correction - Dunn was #6 slot on Kitty wagon. Clearly, I can't count. The general logic still stands, although this does downgrade that element of their scumminess to an extent.

[Cabd]

I'm only null because I'm not around during pivotal moments. It's not like I hid my reads or anything of that sort.

I'm sure I'm missing them but people who asked me questions could re-ask them that would be swell.

[Kerset]

I hoped that Cab return would be by any degree informative but *sigh*

[Cabd]

Also self meta wifom but there's no way scum-me wasn't lurking like fuck and woulda lolhammered the wagon when it was at L-1 to trade one for one. Unless of course you were to think I'm scum WITH kitty?

[Cabd]

I hoped that Cab return would be by any degree informative but *sigh*

Be my bouncer, then?

[Marky Mark]

I'm going to call it a night there - take care all

Let me leave a

FOS T3

as a goodnight gift - I want to dig into Dunn a bit more, but I'm not averse to a T3 wagon either

[Kerset]

You know what. If you people insist that there is some kind of kitty-enchant conspiracy then lets kill enchant. I didn't like his posting anyway.
VOTE: Enchant

[WindowsXP]

ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

traitor claim?

[Kerset]

You know, it legit looks like one

[Marky Mark]

Phoneposting

Was brushing my teeth and the T3 claim kept going round in my head. Would be a big gambit as scum, he was under some pressure but not loads. I'll downgrade my FOS to a dirty look of suspicion but something still feels off there

Pedit - I've not had a game with traitors in before, why would the claim be indicative of one?