Newbie 2061 | Views of Tallinn | Town wins

[T3]

wait
i just realized
VOTE: catboi
okay
so from the earlier pushes make me think vfp and luke are not scum together

[Pearofclubs]

Okay. This is my stance, because I don't know that I have been as clear as I could have been.

When I compared catboi and vfp, I am much more suspicious of catboi.

I feel like people some people have read my earlier post as saying "I think Meuh is scum" but that is not what I was trying to say.
My suspicions on Meuh and T3 are completely dependent on catboi flipping scum, because those are the two players I could see partnered with him. I do not have strong scum reads on either of them, but a flip on catboi would move them into the spot light for a hunt for his partner. If we don't flip catboi today, then I don't actually have a strong reason to be suspicious of either until that does actually happen.

My vote today has been for the person I am most suspicious of overall, and that is catboi. But it is starting to look like we are voting out VFP anyways. So looking towards how I can productively spend Night 2 after a VFP flip, I'm curious: if he flips green, who is everyone looking towards for tomorrow, and if he flips red, who you guys think he could be partnered with. (I know people are going to say me, but who else, because looking into VFPxMe interactions is not how I am going to spend my Night 2 if he flips red, I'll leave that to you guys.)

Major VFP-Lukewarm partner vibes here

I don't know...
How did Ink's behavior work as a potential partner for VFP?
If their goal was "one person pushes pear to find a doc/get a miselim", Lukewarm's behavior doesn't fit that goal.
If their goal was "we both push pear to find a doc/get a miselim", Ink3ro's behavior doesn't fit that goal.
It's certainly possible the plan changed a bit when Ink swapped out, but I find it hard to believe considering that the push on me had so little traction.

It's certainly worth looking into over the night, though. How did Sama/VFP - Ink/Luke and Catboi interact with each other? There's a lot of information to be found what with the replacements.

[T3]

imk pushed sama m rrllier

[Pearofclubs]

Just realized I'm still on Marci. UNVOTE:
So I just did my own votecounting, feel free to double check but:

Catboi:

3 (VFP, T3, Lukewarm)

Lukewarm:

2 (Catboi, Not-Mafia)

VFP:

1 (marcistar)

Not Voting

2 (Meuh, Pearofclubs)

So we're really not actually that close to a hammer (A proper votecount would be appreciated)

I'm fine with going for Catboi today, I've already put forward that I'm thinking it's Catboi/VFP.

Just wanted everyone to know where we stand.

[Not_Mafia]

catboi is actually trying to solve, VFP and Lukewarm are just trying to move the elimination away from themselves

[Pearofclubs]

catboi is actually trying to solve, VFP and Lukewarm are just trying to move the elimination away from themselves

When you've narrowed it down to 3 players, 2 of whom are scum, isn't trying to solve the same thing as moving suspicion away from yourself? All three of them seem somewhat resigned to being eliminated.

What in particular makes you like Catboi here?

[Meuh]

rn in terms of how much i like elims i'm somewhere like: VFP > Lukewarm >> T3 > Catboi

[T3]

Here's myogic for this.
We have a pool of 3 people.
Lukewarm suggested eliminating VFP earlier for inactivity. Probably not something a brand newbie would do to their parter. That means they probably are not both scum. Now we look at the other scum slot. The only person this could possobly go to is catboi. So, he is confirmed mafia.
Does anyone disagree?

[Meuh]

Here's myogic for this.
We have a pool of 3 people.
Lukewarm suggested eliminating VFP earlier for inactivity. Probably not something a brand newbie would do to their parter. That means they probably are not both scum. Now we look at the other scum slot. The only person this could possobly go to is catboi. So, he is confirmed mafia.
Does anyone disagree?

We don't have a pool of 3 people?

[T3]

We have 4 confirmed town and me. There re 8 players total.

[catboi]

Major VFP-Lukewarm partner vibes here

IF you say so. I am not sure in what world I would not have bussed him by now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bussing today is an automatic loss. Scum know this and are gunning for me instead.

[catboi]

Here's myogic for this.
We have a pool of 3 people.
Lukewarm suggested eliminating VFP earlier for inactivity. Probably not something a brand newbie would do to their parter. That means they probably are not both scum. Now we look at the other scum slot. The only person this could possobly go to is catboi. So, he is confirmed mafia.
Does anyone disagree?

Lukewarm never suggested eliminating VFP for inactivity? In fact, he's been attacking me allday? I don't know how you could realistically be looking at the game and conclude either is my partner when they've both been trying to get me voted out all day. Quote the posts where lukewarm went after VFP?

[catboi]

Catboi: 3 (VFP, T3, Lukewarm)

LOL

this vote count alone should spew me as town, if I was scum here I would be fucking SCREAMING at my partner to stop bussing me

[catboi]

imk pushed sama m rrllier

Why's that lone vote more convincing than what's been going on all day? If I'm scum, who's my partner, T3?

[catboi]

How is that math working? NotMafia, Marci, and Pear are full clear, there is an argument to be made that Meuh is clear, but that still leave me, you, catboi, and T3, no? So 50%.

T3 isn't flipping scum.
3 scum are in me, you, and Catboi.

You should be seeing me and Catboi as scum here.

The aggressive certainty here is baffling. What makes you THAT confident in T3-town?

[catboi]

VOTE: VFP

I think I'm back to vaguely town-leaning lukewarm's paranoia though I shouldn't be. T3 has sank in my estimation.

Toriii low profile is kinda sus (and didn't answer the fact he is suspecting one of the stronger townie reads (from my poe as i said), dunno if is lack of reading, or just random pointing), but i cant talk too much about low profiles because my participation is just "enough" (being generous with myself)

This quote feels vaguely partner-y.

[Meuh]

T3 I can't see how Catboi could be partners with Lukewarm or VFP and since you've written me as confirmed town, I don't understand why you'd think Catboi is scum here
Bussing is unviable today like Catboi said, mafia has a tough road ahead if one of them goes out here

I don't see why we wouldn't be eliming Lukewarm or VFP here

[T3]

Major VFP-Lukewarm partner vibes here

IF you say so. I am not sure in what world I would not have bussed him by now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bussing today is an automatic loss. Scum know this and are gunning for me instead.

Slip. Bussing today would only be an automatic loss if I'm town.

[Meuh]

Major VFP-Lukewarm partner vibes here

IF you say so. I am not sure in what world I would not have bussed him by now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bussing today is an automatic loss. Scum know this and are gunning for me instead.

Slip. Bussing today would only be an automatic loss if I'm town.

what? where's the slip??? i'm genuinely confused

VOTE:

VFP

Catboi elim is a bad idea

[catboi]

I don't know how to describe it exactly but T3 right now feels like he's trying to hustle with what he's pushing. Doesn't feel like someone who is genuinely looking for a team, he's pushing me off something very slight

[T3]

Wait, I'm going to think.
I don't see a brand new scum bussing their partner.

[Meuh]

T3's recent posts feel like they have an agenda
VFPxT3 would be my guess at this point

[catboi]

Major VFP-Lukewarm partner vibes here

IF you say so. I am not sure in what world I would not have bussed him by now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Bussing today is an automatic loss. Scum know this and are gunning for me instead.

Slip. Bussing today would only be an automatic loss if I'm town.

This isn't remotely close to a slip??

I want to vote you for this post alone.

With a scum elim today, the tracker gives either a confirmed guilty on the last mafia, or a confirmed innocent on the town, leaving two elims on the unclears. It's not a slip at all. Why are you trying to argue that it is?

[T3]

Oh, that makes sense.

[T3]

Like I just don't see VFP Luke scumteam.