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[Vasex]

Guys, imagine he is not a cop and just a scum.
Tomorrow after some townies deaths, he will tell us the result of check of someone.
Maybe it is townie or a scum. Or maybe we'll have miller's problem,nobody knows for sure.
Then what?
Provide me a reason why you can start thinking that Kitty should be eliminated?
Before appearing the real cop (if thats one exist!), are there any opportunities to see Kitty as a scum?
Today townie can be elimed instead of kitty.
Tomorrow if he tell on someone "scum", are you going to elim this person? For example cabd. So kitty will be alive one more day?
If he doesnt die at night, will you hang him tomorrow?
Please tell me.
By the way we cannot even give the exact aim to the Kitty,because mafia can shoot this target (or just make a lie, that the check was in the dead body).

[Vasex]

DkKoba I think.

Did you play with him earlier?

[The Bulge]

Votecount 1.16

T3

[6] - Etine, Andresvmb, Rathe, WindowsXP, Kerset, DrippingGoofball

Cabd

[4] - deep-city-lights, Save The Dragons, Nero Cain, KittyTacky

KittyTacky

[2] - DeathNote, Anya

Enchant

[2] - Vasex, T3

samantha97

[1] - NDMath

Dunnstral

[1] - Marky Mark

Not voting

- Artemiana, Cabd, Enchant, samantha97, Dunnstral

With 21 players alive, it will take 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

The deadline for Day 1 is Thursday, May 6 at 3:00 am EDT/7 GMT. You have (expired on 2021-05-06 03:00:00).

Mod Note

Etine v/la

[KittyTacky]

DkKoba I think.

Did you play with him earlier?

In an ongoing game, can't say anything substantial about it. But yes.

[Anya]

i roleblocked kitty but nothing happened? i'm confused

[Vasex]

DkKoba I think.

Did you play with him earlier?

In an ongoing game, can't say anything substantial about it. But yes.

Are you playing right now somewhere using alt?
It can explain some things tho
Did you play with Dkkoba earlier? In your 3-4 games before this one?

[KittyTacky]

DkKoba I think.

Did you play with him earlier?

In an ongoing game, can't say anything substantial about it. But yes.

Are you playing right now somewhere using alt?
It can explain some things tho
Did you play with Dkkoba earlier? In your 3-4 games before this one?

Nope, I have an alt but it's not in any games right now. And no, both games I'm in with DK (including this one) are ongoing.

[Vasex]

Im asking that because just thought about: if Kitty is new player like me and sees Dkkoba first time, it is easier to call him WindowsXP, and Dkkoba it could be from Mafia Chat (maybe a partner or maybe mentioned there many times like dkkoba).
But well, now it seems morw like a wrong direction, ok.

[Dunnstral]

Guys, imagine he is not a cop and just a scum.
Tomorrow after some townies deaths, he will tell us the result of check of someone.
Maybe it is townie or a scum. Or maybe we'll have miller's problem,nobody knows for sure.
Then what?

Then we kill him and see if he's a real cop with a real result, or scum
Why can we not just wait 1 night?

[Kerset]

i roleblocked kitty but nothing happened? i'm confused

wtf is that post?

[WindowsXP]

i roleblocked kitty but nothing happened? i'm confused

wtf is that post?

[Kerset]

By the way we cannot even give the exact aim to the Kitty,because mafia can shoot this target (or just make a lie, that the check was in the dead body).

Why not? Make him target deep-city-lights or whatever. Its not like scum would be happy to use their kill on a lurker.

[Vasex]

Why can we not just wait 1 night?

The night ends, smb like Nero/Mark/XP is a dead townie (nk). And before that eliminated Cabd/T3 is townie. And Kitty is alive with some useless info about check. Or even with scum check.
What are your next actions?
To give Kitty one more night? Till the end of the game?

[Marky Mark]

By the way we cannot even give the exact aim to the Kitty,because mafia can shoot this target (or just make a lie, that the check was in the dead body).

Why not? Make him target deep-city-lights or whatever. Its not like scum would be happy to use their kill on a lurker.

This kinda play makes a lot of sense. We give Kitty a specific target who it wouldn't be the end of the world if they died and make it clear that if they target anyone else they will be policy limmed. If kitty is town then forces scum to make tough choices on whether to NK kitty and/or the stated target of Kitty's investigation and if Kitty is scum then we aren't much worse off

[Marky Mark]

To give Kitty one more night? Till the end of the game?

They've claimed 1-night cop.

IGMEOY

[Marky Mark]

Correction: 1-shot cop, but you get my point

[Marky Mark]

Like how confident are you that Kitty is scum Vasex? - because even if you were 80% confident (which wouldn't be unreasonable) the risk/reward would probably still be in favour of eliming tomorrow so that you get the slot info on a slot of our choice in the 20% case where they are town.

[Marky Mark]

The argument shouldn't be whether kitty is scum or not

It should be about why we can't elim them tomorrow instead of today

I agree with your logic here, even if I have a sinking feeling that you/kitty could be S/S

[Marky Mark]

Minimal analysis/scrutiny this game outside of their push on STD, a slot that I'm townreading. Decent amount of lurking and mechtalk and the #8 slot vote on kitty without much in the way of context or follow-up.

Unfortunately (?) that's not really a reason to scumread me

Which one of the multiple reasons above do you take issues with?

[Marky Mark]

Correction - Dunn was #6 slot on Kitty wagon. Clearly, I can't count. The general logic still stands, although this does downgrade that element of their scumminess to an extent.

I was told to move my vote off of save the dragons.

I feel like town here argues why their vote was a good vote, rather than sloping the accountability with "I was told to move my vote", which says nothing about why they moved it

[Vasex]

It is highly important to elim mafia early not only because of necessity to kill a mafia, but also we need to know asap at least one exact mafia to seek the others. Before that it will be highly difficult to find any mafia. But after the first one it wouldbe much easier.

Ok i see that it is almost impossible to elim Kitty today. You almost all dont want it.
Lets find another one.

I think Enchant is a good choice.
It is even doesnt matter now is he with Kitty or not, is kitty a real cop or not.

Im ready to elim him just because he asked kitty-cop to check his (Enchant's) only townie Etine. Fail!

Am i the only one who sees that ridiculouse?

[Marky Mark]

VOTE: T3

I initially gave the claim credit as it was made under 0 pressure, but the more I think about it the more dubious I am that you are both BP AND town-aligned. Traitor and/or BP 3rd party would make sense here, having read up on the wiki.

Etine also got major towncred for claiming under low pressure earlier, so I can see how scum might try to copy the same play, hoping for the same results

--pedit, I must have missed Enchant asking Kitty to check Etine when catching up but would be good to understand why from Enchant as I thought Etine was largely TRed following their claim

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: T3

So is there a TL;DR of claims so far? I'm never going to remember all of them.

Marky Mark Miller.
T3 Bulletproof
Etine lazy babysitter
Kitty 1-shot Cop

Sita meta needs to change

[Vasex]

Then we kill him and see if he's a real cop with a real result, or scum

Well ok, we lose not much, if kitty a real cop and we hang him tomorrow. Knowing his check elimation of him is like killing a simple townie. If he is real one-shot cop.
But will we hang him tomorrow if he is alive?
There will be less people to hang him...
There can be scum check of smb else...
Well, if kitty is real mafia, we chose a very difficult way

[Vasex]

And he doesnt worry about his death much, discussing a night check...