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Could be giving up, could be caught scum trying to appear self sacrificing as a last ditch attempt to look townie.
You have to understand that your exact train of logic is very easy to anticipate for scum, though. I don't really see it as that complex of a play to purposely focus on a townie as a mafia member in order to make it look like they were trying to give them towncred, and ultimately make them scummy.In post 854, T3 wrote:Cool. Then vote me.
VFP when he was about to get limmed said to lim catboi tomorrow no matter what. Because he would then flip scum that would clear catboi. But the problem is heknows he will be limmed. So why would he say that? Unless he is trying to clear his partner.
Looking to end every day early is not good townie behavior. Maybe you think this'll persuade people to not elim you today? Being all self-sacrificing? Or, sure, maybe you are town. At this moment I think you're a better shot than the other two.In post 854, T3 wrote:Cool. Then vote me.
VFP when he was about to get limmed said to lim catboi tomorrow no matter what. Because he would then flip scum that would clear catboi. But the problem is heknows he will be limmed. So why would he say that? Unless he is trying to clear his partner.
I mean yeah ending day early isn't townie behaviour, but not really scummy either. Can't really fault T3 for that. I have no issue with ending this day early, we wouldn't be missing out on much. We're on a 3 person POE and most people just seem to be swinging the same way.In post 858, Pearofclubs wrote:Looking to end every day early is not good townie behavior. Maybe you think this'll persuade people to not elim you today? Being all self-sacrificing? Or, sure, maybe you are town. At this moment I think you're a better shot than the other two.In post 854, T3 wrote:Cool. Then vote me.
VFP when he was about to get limmed said to lim catboi tomorrow no matter what. Because he would then flip scum that would clear catboi. But the problem is heknows he will be limmed. So why would he say that? Unless he is trying to clear his partner.
Regardless, that argument is a tall glass of Very Berry WIFOM™, since maybe he did that for the reason you're saying, or maybe he did itin the hopes that people would think that it was misdirection, and thus incorrectly suspect Catboi. Either solution is just as easily the case. So it's not helpful.
Yeah, if T3 flips green I'd probably be leaning towards Catboi for tomorrow, although I could swing both ways really, I'd need to reread some of their posts to form a stronger opinionIn post 859, Pearofclubs wrote:Also, for what it's worth, Catboi defused VFP's push on me as soon as he made it.
I don't feel like that would be a good angle for scum trying to suss out power roles using pressure on me.
I mean, I personally think Luke is likely town. If you flipped green tonight I'd probably be looking in Catboi's direction.
But mainly I think that VFP wasperfectly happy acting like there was nothing left to solve, and the pool was only him catboi and luke.
It's play to win, after all. The three of them getting all the attention is enticing if you're the last scum standing.
Actually, I think in this context trying to throw in the towel does manage to appear scummy.In post 860, Meuh wrote: I mean yeah ending day early isn't townie behaviour, but not really scummy either. Can't really fault T3 for that. I have no issue with ending this day early, we wouldn't be missing out on much. We're on a 3 person POE and most people just seem to be swinging the same way.
Yoooo we should just endlessly argue about WIFOMthat sounds very productive
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how much time we get to discuss is irrelevant to scum!T3 if they're being elimed anyways though? don't really get that pointIn post 861, Pearofclubs wrote:Actually, I think in this context trying to throw in the towel does manage to appear scummy.In post 860, Meuh wrote: I mean yeah ending day early isn't townie behaviour, but not really scummy either. Can't really fault T3 for that. I have no issue with ending this day early, we wouldn't be missing out on much. We're on a 3 person POE and most people just seem to be swinging the same way.
Yoooo we should just endlessly argue about WIFOMthat sounds very productive
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Think about it. We're actually in a precarious situation.
Today there are six of us, one scum. We miselim someone right now, marci dies... four of us remaining. That's MeLo, and the only thing we'll have gained is that T3 wasn't the right choice.
Sure, I'm confident in T3 being red, but what if he's not?
Continuing discussion in this situation is townie. We want as much data to sift through tomorrow as possible.
Limiting information makes it harder for us to make a confident choice.
That being said, I would love to argue endlessly about WIFOM. I could go for a nice red today
I can't really conclude anything here. It's obvious to me he was trying to townshield his partner, but he never really justified either read. He was much more vocal about T3-town. Scum tend to be less voical about townreading their partners, but then they don't townread their partners that often, either. If you assume that T3 being elimmed is an autoloss for VFP though, it makes sense that he'd adopt this strategy.In post 690, VFP wrote:Regardless I'm pretty sure this is just a win.
Meuh not visiting makes them town here as they would have been visiting for either the kill or the Rolecop.
Pear being protected means town.
2 PR claims not CC.
This means we have 4 town out of 7 going into night 2.
Scum are only possible to be in me, T3, Catboi, and Lukewarm.
I don't think T3 is scum here so the pool narrows down to me, Catboi, and Lukewarm with T3 as the additional.
NM dies tonight, we have 3 town and a clear on someone. Scum flip today means that we have 4 town out of 6 players.
There's really nothing to try and solve here.
Some light shade toward in3.In post 533, VFP wrote:Meuh is always town here for me.
Marci lim works for me and I think we just win with Meuh, T3, and iN3krO as town here.
Marci scum makes NM town and iN3krO is plausibly the partner for 513
Marci town just means 2 scum in Pear, Catboi, and NM
IIn post 586, VFP wrote:This is a really good post and a good spot.In post 574, Lukewarm wrote:Hopefully, everyone sees the discrepancy here. So it seems to me, like he was making up a story to try and get people to agree with his push at the time, and did not realize that he had already made up the exact opposite story. This reeks of scum trying to manipulate town.
If you read the context to Pear's posts they are even worse. It's the before and after having NorwegianboyEE as scum.
Just adapting the comment to suit their agenda.
how are you so sure hes town? from what you've been saying it seems like it.. but theres nothing clearing him so far..?In post 868, T3 wrote:No way a scum Lukewarm says: I'm not too sure about this vote and then hammers a partner.
That's a good point, I hadn't thought of it that way.In post 863, Meuh wrote: oh also Marci might not die cause rber means she's not getting results ever anyways
That would be a very traditionally N-M thing to do, wouldn't it?In post 872, catboi wrote:Anyway, I'm okay with voting T3 if people want to move forward. I would be greatly annoyed if N_M didn't jail Lukewarm when they were his scumread. Does anyone have anything they want to do?