Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 3.04

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-05-07 10:00:00).

execution

DkKoba [2]:

Anya, InsidiousLemons

Anya [1]:

VFP

InsidiousLemons [1]:

DkKoba

not voting [5]:

clidd, osuka, PookyTheMagicalBear, Asteria, Andresvmb

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[InsidiousLemons]

Normal Guidelines
A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

is Mafia-aligned

knows the identities of all of the Mafia team

identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops
If you want a Traitor that cannot be killed by its team, make it a Bulletproof Traitor. (A Traitor that investigates as though they were town is not Normal, because the Godfather role is not Normal.) Roles like this should return full names (e.g. Bulletproof Traitor) to a Role Cop investigating them.

As a Traitor is Mafia-aligned, it counts towards the Mafia's win condition. For example, in the situation of 1 Goon, 1 Traitor and 2 Townies, the game ends in a Mafia win.

So if that was your only argument, I'm not buying it. Try again.

i haven't been on the site in 5 years before this game. forgive me for not being familiar with the specifics. as i've said, i wanted to try and appear as vanilla as possible in order to preserve my ability to use my night action. to me that felt much more productive than forcing a confrontation directly.

if you want me to explain any of my actions/posts in particular i'm more than happy to

p-edit claiming here just so i don't have to deal with being scumread by a likely elim is kinda stupid

[Andresvmb]

p-edit claiming here just so i don't have to deal with being scumread by a likely elim is kinda stupid

Perhaps. But claiming to ensure a PR gets killed and you have 1 less role to defend against? Now that’s not so stupid now is it?

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: InsidiousLemons

[DkKoba]

you dont have a rolecop ability

[Andresvmb]

you dont have a rolecop ability

Then Insidious is always Scum. And they’re signaling to Pooky that they know they’re the Traitor.

[InsidiousLemons]

i also crumbed literally 700 posts before you even entered the game so shut the entire fuck up

p-edit yeah, sure. but don't you think it's more likely that my claim is genuine than that both Dk's and Asteria's are?

[InsidiousLemons]

you dont have a rolecop ability

wha

[Andresvmb]

p-edit yeah, sure. but don't you think it's more likely that my claim is genuine than that both Dk's and Asteria's are?

Not Asteria’s, no. Maybe Koba’s, but I have suspected you, you did push for Andante’s execution earlier in the game, and you keep landing on Town.

[DkKoba]

i also crumbed literally 700 posts before you even entered the game so shut the entire fuck up

p-edit yeah, sure. but don't you think it's more likely that my claim is genuine than that both Dk's and Asteria's are?

you also crumbed/softed backup gs. gtfo

(I was looking for crumbs when looking for a shot, i was looking for people who either didnt crumb or people who crumbed multiple roles, like lemon)

[VFP]

So after that I think maybe the bottom? These seem to be the only possible ways.

Pooky - Mafia Doc Traitor (Knows who to protect)
Anya - Roleblocker
Lemons - Rolecop

And if that's wrong then it's

Anya - Important scum role
Lemons - Rolecop Traitor
Maybe Pooky? Maybe Osuka? - Something main scum.

I'm getting haze on the second 1 and need to think. The 1st one would need to be exactly that or along those lines to mechanically meet the out comes from this game.

[DkKoba]

why do you think i came swinging and am confident your claim is fake?

[InsidiousLemons]

i put pressure on andante a few times to try and get them to crack. never wavered from my townread for long and never advocated an andante elim

and you can't tell me my t3 vote wasn't justified

p-edit please show me where i crumbed gs

[Andresvmb]

Andante: upon rereading, 88 kinda pings weirdly for me. why is she so concerned about putting a 4th vote on osuka less than 100 posts into the game? "I kinda like them here" -- already? why? not like you're going to take them out that early anyway. i keep changing my mind on how her piss-poor reaction to robert's accusations reads, but i think i'm going to stick with my initial noobtown analysis until we see some more interaction between these players. 359 also sucks. 388, though, feels like genuine noobtown wordvomit from someone who is nervous and doesn't understand the game very well yet. i say this because it's painfully similar to how i played my first couple of town games here. the suggestion that scum might try to pocket one of their own buddies is a confusing one to me, but again (call me crazy), reads more like noobtown thinking out loud and smashing the submit button than scum floundering. there's no question they respond terribly to being pressured, though. i'm eager to see how they reenter this thread. slight gut townlean, but i'm not opposed to the idea that this slot could be filthy scum. still not the best D1 elim to me

Bullshit.

[Andresvmb]

Not opposed to the idea that the slot could be filthy Scum? That’s your way of never wavering for long?

[Andresvmb]

And what about 639?

[InsidiousLemons]

is this post an example of advocating for an andante elim? do i not say multiple times in that post that i townread them? your attempt to discredit me here is silly. the strongest words i have are that i'm "not opposed" to the idea that she could be scum

p-edit yeah? that push on andante lasted for what, 5 or 6 more of my posts? and then i never launched a significant attack on them again. pressure, sure, but i never wanted them dead

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you dont have a rolecop ability

Then Insidious is always Scum. And they’re signaling to Pooky that they know they’re the Traitor.

if i was traitor i wouldve just hammered koba lolol

stop being bad

[DkKoba]

lol deflecting with what i said.

I looked at ur meta extensively and was waiting on you to claim something.
I saw your x shot cop soft (not rolecop) i also saw you mentioned "backup" a few times and as soon as andante claimed GS you inexplicably switched to a townread thus trying to imply you were a backup after you had info.

And excuse me you were pushing there early d1

[InsidiousLemons]

woah are you trying to get killed night 1 insidious

We can just ask the mafia doctor to save insidious!!! duh! lmao (but for real, maf, we value insidious, and it would be greatly appreciated if you kept him around! Thank you)

this game is going to make me lose my mind. the longer i stare at this post the more i begin to think it's one of the most telling things andante has posted this whole game. what actual reason does town have to post this?

Also what reason does mafia have to post this though

i was talking about the bit in parentheses -- it's clearly meant to be taken more seriously than the rest of the post ("but for real"). talking to Mafia, Generally, Wherever You May Be in this way pings like noobscum. town has no reason to ask scum not to kill someone they like, it's just one more reason for scum to kill them

woah are you trying to get killed night 1 insidious

We can just ask the mafia doctor to save insidious!!! duh! lmao (but for real, maf, we value insidious, and it would be greatly appreciated if you kept him around! Thank you)

this game is going to make me lose my mind. the longer i stare at this post the more i begin to think it's one of the most telling things andante has posted this whole game. what actual reason does town have to post this?

you don't like my lines? wooow I was just joking with Anya? Are you trying to say I can't have a little fun? that's suspicious... that's weird...

if you were joking the whole time then why separate the post into two parts? why say "but for real?"

so I have determined. there's not a scum read I'm super confident in at this point in time.
Also, I love the game advancing content rule, it annoys me when people just go "hi I'm here" and that counts

I think it was crayons or dragon I was feeling was weird, idk. I don't even remember what I told yall last night, should probably start there I know I said Asteria felt off, ahhhh if someone has a confident sr, please out it

not remembering what you told us <24 hours ago --> low familiarity with your own (fabricated?) opinions --> scumtell
"please talk loudly about your scumreads so i can wagon them" --> scumtell

Andante – Town
Anya - Town
Andresvmb - Town
InsidiousLemons - Town
Save The Dragons - Sus
Green Crayons - Town
Asteria – Sus
PawnsGambit – leaning town
VFP –
Haschel Cedricson –
Salsabil Faria –
Osuka –
Robert M Hunter -


Ok, I collected my thoughts from yesterday for yall, and I realized, I haven't outed a read on osuka, then that had me thinking, how do I read osuka? they certainly have lots of content here, always posting. I skimmed through some lines of theirs, and at this time, I honestly don't know how I read them, like, I could see a town and a scum argument, so for them, I'll wait till later to sort. Haschel said he was posting after work, never did, but I was the same with yesterday morning, so, I'd love to see more content there. VFP? idk. I think I saw maybe 1 VFP post, they've just been flying under the radar tbh. Salsa. if I'm being completely honest, I'd probably call scum, solely based on their anger reaction to osuka. They got mad, and left, but, 3they've been v/la or whatever so I'd love to hear actual content from them, cause their lines before leaving were far from great. And lastly, Robert. I really don't know. like, robert will jump in with weird lines, their entrance to the game was also far from great, but like, I could see them coming from a town mindset. yeah. that's where my brain is at

this whole paragraph is almost purely iioa. also strange to me that you only back up your null reads and don't mention your, you know, actual reads. if you only saw "maybe 1" vfp post, you need to go back and read the goddamn game. null because i don't care enough to read their posts isn't a read. you've complained about ISOing as if it's something you're never actually going to do, and moaned and grumbled about going back to find a specific post to back up your arguments early in the game. you shouldn't be upset by people asking you to do this, it is literally how to play forum mafia. you can't win without ever looking at ISO, without ever going back and rereading.

@andres what is your claim? night 0 cop?

Lemons, I could do the same right back at you, what reason does town have to post this? What if Andres took it as you were actually asking them to claim? no reason for town to care about claims 30 posts into the game

for someone so concerned about not letting people have fun, you're pretty pressed about this second-page post. i guess i could have made it more obviously joking in tone, but andres would have to be actually braindead to claim in response to this post. we were in rvs. chill

i don’t think that was the case a number of years ago but i do distinctly recall a point where it felt like i woke up and suddenly daytalk just seemed to be the norm

i'm content with this for now given gc's backup and the fact that i haven't been on the site in a few years.

I'm not going to write the ***** word....

Spoiler:

post of the game

there's this too dude like im not gonna pretend i never scumread them but i never wanted them dead

[Andresvmb]

Or 824, 835? Nah give me a break.

[DkKoba]

i checked your previous games, you never used the term "backup" so it was out of character.
I know theres a roleblocker. So your claim is bunk to me because you werent even on me or asteria or andante.

Me mostly because my claim is the most likely to live considering the roleblocker

[Andresvmb]

never wavered from my townread for long and never advocated an andante elim

This is clearly a lie I don’t care what you say.

[DkKoba]

you FLIPPED to a hard tr just based on the claim???

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

So after that I think maybe the bottom? These seem to be the only possible ways.

Pooky - Mafia Doc Traitor (Knows who to protect)
Anya - Roleblocker
Lemons - Rolecop

this is confirmed wrong because the number of guns in this solve is wrong

koba vig asteria neapo = 2 guns

anya/lemons = 2 guns

our dead informed gunsmith = 1 gun

btw our dead informed gunsmith said there were 4 guns