Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 3.06

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-05-07 10:00:00).

execution

DkKoba [2]:

Anya, Andresvmb

Asteria [1]:

DkKoba

not voting [6]:

clidd, osuka, PookyTheMagicalBear, Asteria, InsidiousLemons, VFP

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[osuka]

Anya is going to be the best lim here as scum Lemon's makes a claim like that to ensure Anya is safe. Meaning Anya is something important to scum.
I'm thinking Lemons is actually the traitor here.

???????????

how the fuck does lemons claim protect anya?

[osuka]

i'm willing to call this a scumslip. in trying to curry favour by defending players she knows to be town, scum!asteria has revealed that she is mentally counting herself as armed mafioso rather than as her real claim. town!asteria does not believe that koba and i are both telling the truth, because to believe so necessitates the belief that none of the mafia are armed. and we know she didn't just miss the andante flip because she directly quotes anya's "rip andante" message earlier in the same post.

I’m not following this logic at all. Walk me through it like I was a child.

we have 4 gunned PR claims:
- Andante as gunsmith (confirmed)
- Asteria as neapolitan (unconfirmed)
- DK as weak vig (unconfirmed)
- me as role cop (unconfirmed)

knowing that we have 4 guns in play, the possibilities are:

- Andante + 2 gunned mafia + {Asteria, Dk, or me}
- Andante + 1 gunned mafioso + {Asteria and Dk, Asteria and me, or Dk and me)

Asteria is approaching this from the perspective that 2 people are telling the truth, which puts us in the second scenario. she asserts that these 2 people are myself and Dk, which would make

asteria herself the liar.

what sense does it make for a real Neapolitan to make this mistake? did she forget what was in her role PM? did she forget that andante died? not likely. what's more plausible to me is that, because

in her own mind

she is already accounted for as the gunned mafioso, she forgot to account for herself again in the PR pool.

it is impossible for nea!asteria to believe that Dk and I are both telling the truth, because that theory refutes her own claim.

the only way for this to have happened is by a massive blunder of logic, and the explanation for that blunfer that makes the most sense to me is that asteria forgot to account for herself in the PR claims.

oh yeah i didnt notice that. good catch

it's almost as if ive been saying that slot is scum. that sounds familiar to me but i can't figure out why for the life of me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

koba if we flip you and you're town, who do you want us to flip from the gun-claims next tomm?

hot take but andres but also dont rush please

im only eliminating in the gun claims if you flip town cuz we have at least 2 scum in the 4

[osuka]

I think VFP is acting boldly and assertively because they have this to fall back on. But c’mon, Anya? No. That’s absurd. Trying to push it away from Asteria and Koba is blatantly Scummy.

Why wouldn't I push it away if I believe they are town.
Setup wise you're the one lying here for me.

No I was wrong you’re right. You supposedly came back “Vanilla Town”. Which you’ve hard claimed. So no ignore that.

mafia goon comes back as vanilla, hello? he claimed _role_cop, not alignment cop

[osuka]

@osuka I would appreciate some thoughts from you please.

sorry been working, my hours are all over the place

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

TRUE

@Mod What result does a Hypothetical Rolecop get on a Vanilla Townie?

@Mod What result does a Hypothetical Rolecop get on a Mafia Goon?

[osuka]

Roles like this should return full names (e.g. Bulletproof Traitor) to a Role Cop investigating them.

And in fact, a Role Cop that is Town aligned would have a huge incentive to ensure one of the PRs is correct. A Scum Role Cop however wants to find the Traitor. And if Pooky is the Traitor, they are signaling to them that they know.

Okay, how about this for a solve? {Anya, Insidious, Pooky}, with Pooky as the Traitor?

oh actually that's an excellent point

outside of the claim, do you have reason to believe lemons is scum?

[Datisi]

@Mod What result does a Hypothetical Rolecop get on a Vanilla Townie?

@Mod What result does a Hypothetical Rolecop get on a Mafia Goon?

both would return "vanilla" to a rolecop.

[osuka]

i also crumbed literally 700 posts before you even entered the game so shut the entire fuck up

p-edit yeah, sure. but don't you think it's more likely that my claim is genuine than that both Dk's and Asteria's are?

you also crumbed/softed backup gs. gtfo

(I was looking for crumbs when looking for a shot, i was looking for people who either didnt crumb or people who crumbed multiple roles, like lemon)

can you show where the backup crumbs were

[VFP]

doesnt rolecop return vanilla for mafia goon?

A mafia goon would also have a gun.
Maybe the wording is a scum tell here, but Lemons as town this would be confirmed VT.

[osuka]

@vfp what is the partner equity you see between myself and anya? or are you going based off of individual reads on each of us?

Anya is obvious scum.
Your claim feels out of place and looks to be preventing an Anya lim or a decent wagon growing.

Out of all of the claims I think yours is the worst with results.
Plus the fact I said earlier that your posting was not town mind with a PR gun.

again - how does the rolecop claim protect anya?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how does lemons know i am a vanilla townie !?!?

[VFP]

DkKoba [3]: Anya, Andresvmb, InsidiousLemons

Could just be an entire scum wagon here.

dude are you actively trying to say the wrongest shit possible

i'm really really really REALLY liking the idea of putting your head on the chopping block today

So you are calling all of these town?
Good to know after flips as you're high on my list to lim outside the current PRs.

[osuka]

if we have a vig who isn't koba they should've counterclaimed by now right?

i would certainly hope so

if we have a vig who isn't koba, why haven't we had any nights with >1 nks?

[VFP]

how does lemons know i am a vanilla townie !?!?

Because the confirmed GS checked you for a gun?
And you didn't have a gun...

[osuka]

Ok, I don't understand the mechanics being discussed in relation to the scum doctors and guns, so I need someone to summarize the claims and results in a simplified way.

Also: I'm a town one-shot detective who got a negative result on Pooky during the N1 (he didn't try to kill anyone that night).

This may be useful for the setup spec ^

im sorry what the fuck?????

[VFP]

???????????

how the fuck does lemons claim protect anya?

It's not hard to read, but ill say again.
Puts the focus back into the PR claims.

And Anya didn't claim a PR. Crazy, I know.

[InsidiousLemons]

how does lemons know i am a vanilla townie !?!?

this is the stupidest technicality ever
my result returned was "vanilla" and by process of elimination you had to be townie because you're unarmed, therefore confirmed VT

[osuka]

first of all: read the fucking thread or come with a specific question, i don't have the time or effort to explain the whole game to you

secondly, what the fuck? detective doesn't fit in the setup and frankly if your slot was detective, AND if you're one-shot (so youre not too worried about being the top priority night kill), why the fuck did that not come up when we had a million people claim gun roles?

[VFP]

again - how does the rolecop claim protect anya?

Again, reading is hard.
Understanding standard tactics even harder apparently.

[osuka]

what the fuck is this game

[osuka]

anya and osuka nowhere to be seen

i literally worked until 2 am last night, fuck off

[osuka]

by the way im vt

[osuka]

anya quickhammered on d1 we cant even trust that slot lets be real

and youre saying we can trust _you_? scum rb just staying on a claimed weak vig is awfully convenient isnt it?

how convenient of you to just show up just as talk of my elim starts back up

imagine thinking i dont work 50+ hours a week because two thirds of my team is 13 time zones away and in fucking china