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[Vasex]

*fond of finding

VOTE: Anastasia

[Vasex]

...or maybe he is just making distancing with Arte/Dunn... but even in that case elimination of arte shouldnt be a mistake

[Vasex]

kitty is just repeating and repeating and repeating the words of other players)

Prove it.

It doesh't need to be proven, because that's truth, someone called someone mafia and here you are, let's vote!

... It happened how many times, three or so.

Not only about mafia, but about strong townreads too

[Anastasia]

It's interesting that Vasex and Cabd both insist on calling me by my predecessor's name Arte despite the fact that I have 7x her posts and done much more in the game.

They can't find anything solid to attack me on so they have to resort to attacking my predecessor who replaced out.

Purposefully refusing to engage with my content to attack Arte for flaking out is just scum opportunism.

[Anastasia]

I dont care, the day is too long for me, im loosing interest
VOTE: Cabd

It's interesting here how little time he spends voting Cabd.

For someone who is so "eager" to get the day over with he is quite reluctant to kill those that I think are his partners

[Anastasia]

...or maybe he is just making distancing with Arte/Dunn... but even in that case elimination of arte shouldnt be a mistake

It's quite telling here that he is already hedging in case Cabd loses the 1v1 with me and goes down, he is already preparing for tomorrow where he will argue that Cabd/Me are actually Scum/Scum.

Does anyone else see the conversation I just had with Cabd and believe that's scum theater?

[Anastasia]

Cabd attacks people, which he knows very well. Arte and Dunn.
The only question is it because he really sure he found scums, or just worried about that they can easily find him knowing him too...?
Buuuut... talking about the second option. Neither Artemiana(and Anastasia), nor Dunn were suspecting Cabd... Artestasia's scumreads: mark,vasex,etine,ndmath,samantha. Dunn scumread mostly only STD.... This is std scumreads cabd, but dunn scumreads std, not cabd... "what has cabd done?", "exactly"
Well , this is a quite strange tactic for cabd-scum to attack Artestasia and Dunn, who are not dangerous for him at all.
Maybe only one exception: if they are dangerous for his partners. But their voices are not too loud and they cannot create a wagon to ndmath or std ... so... it seems cabd is town really. Or just sick/crazy, like fond of fonding difficulties for himself, attacking his allies.
Though Dunn has voted Andre, then Kityy voted Andre, but still cabd was waiting rather long with no real danger for Andre...

I think cabd is town

I've been reading this over and over trying to figure out how this can be a reasonable thought process.

Vasex is struggling to figure out why Cabd would attack me/Dunnstral here.

His thought process is entirely on whether me/dunnstral are a threat for Cabd.

He completely ignores the fact that Cabd is the leading wagon in the game at this point and momentum is shifting towards eliminating him for producing little content of value.

He completely ignores the actual merits of Cabd's posts vis-a-vis me.

Vasex's progression on Cabd does not actually make sense.

I would've found it more believable if he had simply said I think Ana is scum and since Cabd wants to kill her he must be town.

Instead it's this convoluted assessment where he looks like he's completely forgotten he's supposed to suspect me.

[Vasex]

Anastasia is scum

[Vasex]

scum scum scum

[Anastasia]

scum scum scum

You could repeat this ten million times and it would not change my role pm one nanometer.

I am town.

[Vasex]

He completely ignores the actual merits of Cabd's posts vis-a-vis me.

What? Do you mean he attacks you because you attacked him? Could you prove it? Your iso proves the opposite

[Anastasia]

He completely ignores the actual merits of Cabd's posts vis-a-vis me.

What? Do you mean he attacks you because you attacked him? Could you prove it? Your iso proves the opposite

I mean you don't actually look at the posts we made at each other to analyze which of us is town and which is scum.

You approach it from a motivation based standpoint which doesn't actually make sense.

There is obviously a reason for Cabd to attack me, he is leading wagon at 5 votes, if he doesn't generate an alternative he will die.

[Anastasia]

You complain over and over that the day is too long and we need an elimination and you throw your vote around like you don't care who flips.

But when it's actually your buddy Cabd being run up, suddenly you get cold feet.

It is a tell. He will flip red and I will come for you tommorrow.

[Vasex]

He completely ignores the actual merits of Cabd's posts vis-a-vis me.

What? Do you mean he attacks you because you attacked him? Could you prove it? Your iso proves the opposite

I mean you don't actually look at the posts we made at each other to analyze which of us is town and which is scum.

You approach it from a motivation based standpoint which doesn't actually make sense.

There is obviously a reason for Cabd to attack me, he is leading wagon at 5 votes, if he doesn't generate an alternative he will die.

so why did he choose artemiana (long time ago; there were better alternatives if to count votes) and dunn

[Vasex]

you throw your vote around like you don't care who flips.

Sometime its true, so what? Tha day is too long, i need info

[Vasex]

But when it's actually your buddy Cabd being run up, suddenly you get cold feet.

It is not the first time when he is on top, if im not mistaking

[Anastasia]

so why did he choose artemiana (long time ago; there were better alternatives if to count votes) and dunn

He only made a comment about Artemiana a long time ago - he did not commit to a vote/push then.

If anything my entrance into the game should've made him re-evaluate the slot rather than use information from a cold read.

Instead he ignores my posting in order to focus on Artemiana's posting instead.

Do you believe this read is something he really thought? Why post it today if Artemiana disappeared days ago? - Would've made more sense to post it then and push for her elim then if this is real suspicion on his side that Artemiana is doing this bad thing.

Timing is strange no?

I can give you clue - Today Cabd became the leading wagon - Samantha/STD voted for him - less than a week left in the game and he needs to create something or he dies - that is obvious motivation for scum!him to push me.

[Anastasia]

you throw your vote around like you don't care who flips.

Sometime its true, so what? Tha day is too long, i need info

So why don't you vote for Cabd?

You say you don't care but suddenly you don't want to kill him.

I think you lie and you protect your buddy.

I think he told you in scum PT when I kill him I will come for you next.

[Vasex]

More looks like you need to generate the alternative: firstly ndmath, then cabd just because he still scumreads you and almost only you. Why didnt you stay on ndmath or samantha? Because cabd has votes, you need it to survive

Though i need to admit that you type fast and much

[Anastasia]

It is not the first time when he is on top, if im not mistaking

It is about timing and game state.

It is fine to ignore the thread if you are leading wagon and the day has just begun.

Town tends to get cold feet and shift early in the day. Paranoia grows and a stoic reaction often gets townread.

However we are now on the backside of the cycle - we have passed the halfway point of the day and the game state has shifted.

Multiple people have been run up and claimed and the town is hungry for blood.

He knows his position is much more dangerous now and he must generate something that will be townread and makes it look like he is doing something or he will die.

[Anastasia]

More looks like you need to generate the alternative: firstly ndmath, then cabd just because he still scumreads you and almost only you. Why didnt you stay on ndmath or samantha? Because cabd has votes, you need it to survive

Though i need to admit that you type fast and much

Did you not read the conversation I had with him in which I outlined why his progression and reactions to me are scum!indicative?

Cabd made errors in his reaction and progression that made him very likely scum, he also has more votes than NDMath who I can't get to engage with me. It's possible they are both scum but I can only eliminate one person at a time.

[Vasex]

It is about timing and game state.

So whats about timing? How many times he was on top? What he did being there and when? What is he plan in this cases?

[Vasex]

Did you really has analysis of that or just random throwing now? Why didnt he choose people with more votes to survive?

[Anastasia]

This is an example of a reaction test I ran on him:

Also the symmetric nature of your "read-wall" feels fake.

4-4-4-6-2 feels like something you planned out to look pretty rather than how you actually feel about each slot.

I could probably pick out your entire scum team just based on how fake your reads are.

I should do that.

Please do, would be happy to see your results!

As you can see, I called his readslist fake and boasted that I could pick out his entire scum team just based on how fake his reads were.

His reaction to it was one of

amusement

That is not a town!POV reaction.

A scum who has generated a fake!readlist and put careful touches on how he hid his team would be amused and interested to see if I could actually nail all of them - he thinks I will miss and be completely off base; the odds are quite low I could nail all of his team.

A town!POV does not have this reaction because that readlist is something

real

to them,

A town!POV believes that I am

scum

and attacking them based on nothing.


Note the timestamp: Reaction Test/Reaction Post from him were both posted at 8:46 - within one minute. This is why you do reaction test baiting in real time against scum - when they do not have time to generate a Town!POV they slip and just let their true feeling show.

Scum!him was amused to see me attempt to "solve" his fake readslist - he let his true reaction slip through.

[Anastasia]

Did you really has analysis of that or just random throwing now? Why didnt he choose people with more votes to survive?

The only person with more votes than me at the time he voted me was T3,

T3 already claimed, his wagon is on the downtrend and T3 also hard townreads Cabd. It would be foolish for him to try to revive that wagon.