Newbie 2062: The Hubble Telescope - End!

[JacksonVirgo]

Im out but I'll catch up when I get home.

[RationalMadman]

If Rathe is willing to take the flack I want to force this through. I do, however, think Rathe hiding the 'truth' if it isnthe case is absolutely futile.

[RationalMadman]

But I am willing to vote this through to elimination without Rathe outing if everyone agrees Rathe is strobgly implying something here.

[RationalMadman]

Andante as scum would absolutely have motive to fake their role as an important PR there, especially the defensive one.

[RationalMadman]

Andante's reason for outing is that she will die at night, but not at day? It makes NO sense. i already said it makes jo sense for Scum to kill Andante as she's scumread by at the very least me but also others, especially T3 (assuming T3 is the scum but I townread him).

[RationalMadman]

I will absolutely not unvote Andante unless Rathe or someone else makes crystal clear it's my fault if this is Doc. I do jot CC Doc.

[RationalMadman]

I don't say I'm not a PR that rules Doc out. I say I am not Doc, just so we are crystal clear what I am claiming. Hypothetically, I am a PR who Pr-reads Rathe here.

[JacksonVirgo]

But I am willing to vote this through to elimination without Rathe outing if everyone agrees Rathe is strobgly implying something here.

This is the scummiest thing I have ever heard in my life. Actually think about what you say before you say it.

If we do what you're wanting, if Andante is Doctor they will get eliminated without a counterclaim which wastes an elimination completely. If Andante is mafia fake-claiming, Rathe would die tonight out of policy just for keeping their vote on a PR claimant. What you're suggesting benefits only the Mafia and not the Town at all.

Also, Andante is already almost confirmed Town here, unless they're gamethrowing, as why would scum ever claim a PR when not even at E-1.

[JacksonVirgo]

Andante as scum would absolutely have motive to fake their role as an important PR there, especially the defensive one.

This is insane. If a scum dies D1, scum almost always loses. Why would they risk this instead of using it as a last-resort when pushed to E-1.


Honest question

[JacksonVirgo]

If Rathe directly counterclaims I may change my mind but as it stands, voting Andante here is literally both stupid and anti-town.

[JacksonVirgo]

If Rathe directly counterclaims I may change my mind but as it stands, voting Andante here is literally both stupid and anti-town.

And if you disagree, explain in HARD details why.

[RationalMadman]

Actually no, I will take the flack, hammer this.

[RationalMadman]

I will 100% accept a voting of me tomorrow if this is wrong, hammer on Andante immediately.

[RationalMadman]

I believe that strong in my scumread after the doc claim

[JacksonVirgo]

Can you respond to my fucking posts.

[RationalMadman]

Andante had NO reason to out uet if Doc. I am guaranteeing yoy this is scum, I will take full blame. I have reread some pages I am absolutely certain Andante js scum here.

[RationalMadman]

No, vote Andante I guarantee you it will flip scum not Dox.

[RationalMadman]

There is absolutely no way Andante is Doc claiming there. Idc what your Post says about the logic, Andante olays woth terrible strategy as a Townie and may be doing the same as scum here. Yoyr meta read is irrelevant as it forgets she hasn't revealed her scum meta.

[RationalMadman]

There is NO WAY Andante claims there or behaves how she has, as Doc. She should WANT to die at night instead of here. You are the one missing logic.

[Rathe]

This is insane. If a scum dies D1, scum almost always loses. Why would they risk this instead of using it as a last-resort when pushed to E-1.

y would town

[JacksonVirgo]

I do not care if they flip scum. In retrospect my logic will remain something I stand by. We do not hammer until a counterclaim happens and if it doesn't, we wagon elsewhere.

A counterclaim here is MILES more beneficial than getting a PR hammered. We risk the other PR dying if a claimed PR is left alive to be NKed rather than just yeeting it without having any reason to believe that it's fake-claimed.

[Rathe]

voting Andante here is literally both stupid and anti-town.

what do u think about the claim in the first place

[JacksonVirgo]

This is insane. If a scum dies D1, scum almost always loses. Why would they risk this instead of using it as a last-resort when pushed to E-1.

y would town

Because I believe the frustration to be legitimate. The same thing happened to them multiple games "in a row" talking about the finished game that just closed and here. They got frustrated like this in the last game as well and I am reading this as genuine and the claim here matches that frustration. I remember being like this before

[JacksonVirgo]

voting Andante here is literally both stupid and anti-town.

what do u think about the claim in the first place

I believe it, I have no reason to otherwise until a counterclaim happens. If one does happen I will reconsider but otherwise this wagon is insanely stupid.

[JacksonVirgo]

Andante had NO reason to out uet if Doc. I am guaranteeing yoy this is scum, I will take full blame. I have reread some pages I am absolutely certain Andante js scum here.

This is a strawmans argument.

They were obviously frustrated at being wagoned, just like last game that I played. It's nothing that indicates them as scum fake-claiming at fucking all.