Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[Andresvmb]

{DeathNote, SaveTheDragons, Nero Cain, Samantha}. I really do think there’s multiple Scum in that group. One of T3/Kitty is always Scum this much is true. Marky Mark has pinged me a lot but I don’t know I don’t think I can figure out the entire Team.

Etine, Rathe, and DGB actually struck me as Town, particularly the first two. WindowsXP is probably Town? Not sure there. NDMath and Kerset have given me positive vibes. I need to read Cabd more carefully, but based on the claim and the early play, I do think they’re Town. I’ll silently keep reading and if you want to figure out where I’m coming from ask directly.

[Andresvmb]

vasex u got prior mafia experience? i can like really feel it - like i legit would like nom u for rising star for just your play this far regardless of your alignment you're playing dominantly and very cool

What. The. Fuck.

Okay. Replace Samantha with XP in my group.

[Vasex]

{Cabd, WindowsXP, NDMath} seem like Town to me so far.

I need to read Cabd more carefully, but based on the claim and the early play, I do think they’re Town.

well well well

[Vasex]

omg, i read it wrong, sorry)

[Vasex]

monkey! people say you are a scum. what do you think about it? why did you agree to replace deathnote? what do you want from this game? when are you going to start playing? though i admit that you share your thoughts about who can be townies (dgb and cabd)

[KittyTacky]

Kitty, do u have townies at all?

Yes.

You, DK (changed from neutral to town), Mark, Dragons are the strongest.

Windows, will you vote Cabd? And when?

when T3 and Kitty acknowledge their targets + CabD has a chance to speak.

I am fine with checking Etine, Enchant, T3, or ND.

[KittyTacky]

NVM I'm being leashed. Checking NDMath.

[KittyTacky]

ok to make thsi clear,

T3 check DGB
Kitty check NDMath

these are 2 players who dont get nightkilled unless they are confirmed PR.
these are the 2 best checks to leash.

change this to T3 -> Etine, Kitty->DGB

i want scum to nightkill Etine if they are town<3

OK I missed this on my first read. Checking DGB.

[KittyTacky]

Like... Really you will say "i was VT i don't care" as mafia?

Or that's what mafia wants you to think.

[KittyTacky]

and kitty confirmed that you are together)

No I didn't. I didn't even see what the scumread was and I wanted something as a reason to vote Enchant who looked slippery to me.

[KittyTacky]

I honestly wasn't sure that there *couldn't* be two gated cops, especially if there are few PRs. T3 is scum at this point regardless, what was the last time I said he is town? It's just that Cabd is worse. But looks like we're not hanging Cabd today anyways because we believe his VT claim.

VOTE: T3

FOS: Cabd

[KittyTacky]

I honestly wasn't sure that there *couldn't* be two gated cops, especially if there are few PRs.

This is why I didn't CC.

Let me check DGB tonight, when I flip town D2 listen to my result.

[KittyTacky]

I misplayed as town cop, who doesn't their first time?

[Kerset]

Its cool how windows just override my call instead of consulting it with me. Good way to make me annoyed.

[Kerset]

{DeathNote, SaveTheDragons, Nero Cain, Samantha}. I really do think there’s multiple Scum in that group. One of T3/Kitty is always Scum this much is true. Marky Mark has pinged me a lot but I don’t know I don’t think I can figure out the entire Team.

Etine, Rathe, and DGB actually struck me as Town, particularly the first two. WindowsXP is probably Town? Not sure there. NDMath and Kerset have given me positive vibes. I need to read Cabd more carefully, but based on the claim and the early play, I do think they’re Town. I’ll silently keep reading and if you want to figure out where I’m coming from ask directly.

For some reason your reads are unaffected by people activity. Are you honest?

[Kerset]

Cabd [] - deep-city-lights, Nero Cain, samantha97, Anastasia, NDMath, Save The Dragons,
Enchant [] - T3, Kerset,
Anastasia [] - Anya, Cabd
Andresvmb [] - Dunnstral, Etine, Vasex
T3 [] - Rathe, KittyTacky,
NDMath [] - Marky Mark
Etine [] -
deep-city-lights [] - DrippingGoofball
Vasex [] -WindowsXP, Enchant
Nero [] - Andresvmb,

Not voting - Almost50,

[samantha97]

[Vasex]

Checking DGB.

what if he is killed?

[Vasex]

mr. 1-shot cop

[Vasex]

cabd v/la June 02 2021

[NDMath]

I was fine (not agree with but understand) with your logic but the last sentence feels like a huge jump to me. You're going from "T3 might be scum trying to get Kitty elim'd today" to "T3 and Kitty seem S/S or maybe Vasex"

I'm thinking through the associatives. T3 scummy and Vasex defends him while also pushing kitty and creating Arte/Ana counterwagon when the T3 wagon was getting hot. Vasex also goes on about being ok with giving up both kitty/T3 as double elim while knowing this isn't actually gonna be a thing.

Tbh, I had more equity in the Kitty/T3 theory when T3 had only claimed BP, the subsequent change of claim to gated cop made this less likely

Why would a scum {copy-paste the rest}?
A townie could be over-excited at knowing a very likely scum from their pov, scum wouldn't have this motivation.

See my response to this issue above, its not a great play as ever alignment, but makes very little sense given that the consensus had already swung hard to eliming kitty d2

Gist of it is
-you are confident in T3 being scum (and me vice versa)
-such that you are basing numerous other reads on him being scum
-meaning we won't be on the same page this game until T3 flips

Anastasia and Vasex appear to have very similar reads outside of each other and kitty.

Samantha town told in my eyes;

Spoiler:

I'm gonna echo the sentiment not just for your dkkoba reasoning but for mine too

the main reason I think ndmath and anastasia are town is because of their critical view of me

there's 0 reason to think I'm town this game lol

even the posts I made that weren't mechanical were borderline mechanical, and the few that were neither were basically nothing

idc though appeal to rathe and I'll change my vote; I haven't even read any of your past posts

"You shouldn't be townreading me." is something I've seen from town numerous times but not from scum; Just is not something scum think since one of there main goals is to get townread.

My reads feel static right now.

VOTE: cabd
L-2

The whole "pocket attempt denied"/"why aren't you SRing me" is pretty NAI. This feels like a convenient way to explain vote pivot away from Samantha to Cabd

My vote was on Enchant at that time and "Pocket attempt denied" is a windows quote.
I also noticed Cabd wagon was filled with townreads/townleans for me apart from Etine & dcl, which was a heavy factor.

Spoiler:

There's too many people I dislike on the Cabd wagon..

UNVOTE: Cabd

Cabd [9] - deep-city-lights, Nero Cain, Rathe, Save The Dragons, samantha97, Anastasia, Etine, Vasex, NDMath

Rathe, NDMath, sam?, Nero Cain. Not all scum probably!

I made a kneejerk unvote and decision but yeesh I looked at Cabd's reads and I was just in so much disagreement I couldn't possibly think he made them as town.

The early part of the Etine/Windows interaction (starting at first quoted post ending at the latter) is so odd on Etine's end. Am repeating Windows but etine struggles to explain his reason and Etine's frustration at Windows here seems unfounded.

Windows, will you vote Cabd? And when?

when T3 and Kitty acknowledge their targets + CabD has a chance to speak.

I am fine with checking Etine, Enchant, T3, or ND.

Why is checking T3 even in consideration for you?


On Andres, I don't like him wanting to elim a cop today, and I don't like his proposed pool for the cops to check in. The other major thing he did was get frustrated at vasex.
VOTE: Andres


This is what the game looks like to me:
Vasex samantha Kerset
Windows T3 Rathe
Nero Mark Dragons Anya
Anastasia Dunnstral

DGB dcl A50
Etine Cabd Andres
Enchant Kitty

[Vasex]

DGB vs Vasex reads strongly as TVT.

You, DK (changed from neutral to town), Mark, Dragons are the strongest.

OK I missed this on my first read.

Checking DGB.

KITTY IS SO SCUM
DGB WAS STRONG TOWN FOR HIM (he repeated that after his townie dragons), NOW HE AGREES WITH XP TO CHECK DGB
OMG LETS ELIM KITTY TODAY
everybody who thinks kitty is a real cop - scums

[Marky Mark]

Well that rather popped off last night didn't it?

[Kerset]

[Marky Mark]

I think Anya hit the nail on the head ref the fact that cabd isn't that scummy a slot, but equally the reaction to fake hammer is easy enough to pull and is NAI