Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[Vasex]

There are miller claims.

i ignore this early info
am i wrong to ignore it?

[Vasex]

You did not answer me about whether you think his Meta-case on Mara is good or not.

so what?

[Anastasia]

I don't read entire tables, I think deeply about the people who talk to me and mostly ignore everyone else.

[WindowsXP]

There are miller claims.

i ignore this early info
am i wrong to ignore it?

It is basic setup building that the existence of millers implies investigatives like cops.

[Anastasia]

You did not answer me about whether you think his Meta-case on Mara is good or not.

so what?

you are basing the double-elim on his conviction that I am scum

Surely you have thought about whether his case on me is good or not?

[WindowsXP]

I don't read entire tables, I think deeply about the people who talk to me and mostly ignore everyone else.

I'd still like you to give thoughts on every slot thus far and sort them, take some stances here.

Building a working townblock is important in a large game, I feel. I am not so experienced in this. But getting your perspective on how you are reading slots would be useful here for us all.

[Anastasia]

I do not play large games by sorting the entire table. I think it's better to commit my energy towards just the people that interest me.

[Vasex]

i liked his case about artemiana,
though my main feelings about that were based on kitty scum, mark and etine townies
now i just dont know for sure

[Anastasia]

what did you like about his case?

[Save The Dragons]

Hey windows should I find it suspicious you haven't commented on vasex and I talking to each other yet?

what is the purpose of this?

i have literally made a list of reads last page

Same purpose as 2469 I'd reckon

[WindowsXP]

I do not play large games by sorting the entire table. I think it's better to commit my energy towards just the people that interest me.

ok but you're deflecting the point.

you can at least give me your thoughts on the slots thus far that you HAVE sorted.

[Vasex]

windows, i dont understand this willing of people to claim so early, usually players are hidding this info, it is not usual for me to see so many claims

[WindowsXP]

2469

can you use post tags to make it easier to follow

2469

[Vasex]

what did you like about his case?

the absence of stupid questions

[WindowsXP]

ah how convenient I cannot verify your claim about your meta in large games :/

this isn't making it easy for me to understand your motivation here anastasia.

[Anastasia]

I suspect cabd, vasex, ndmath

I like Etine, STD, DGB, T3, Kitty, DGB, Marky Mark

There are probably some others I forget, I will add for you later

[WindowsXP]

your suspect list seems to just happen to be 3 people who expressed scumreads on you, do you think they are scumreading you in bad faith, if so how so?

[Anastasia]

ndmath does not scumread me

you can see my interactions with cabd/vasex for why i think they r bad

[Vasex]

anastasia seems to know that her scum cabd is townie
she is a rather worried about my idea to elim her if he is townie
people usually are not so scared about that if they believe so much that they are right about smb is scummy

[Vasex]

maybe t3 is good option afterall

[WindowsXP]

I think that despite his very low number of posts, ndmath has expressed a level of depth in reads that leans town for him, as I have randed scum with him and when he was scum he was very shallow and did not like playing as scum. he was good at the mechanical aspect of normals as far as i could tell but not the dayplay part in particular.

I'd moreso bin him as town.

I actually went and read and vibed with how he was reading samantha because it aligned with how I was viewing the slot which implies a shared perspective.

[Anya]

yeah Anastasia's reads depend heavily on how they're viewing her

she seems competent and smart so it's less likely she's town who just thinks anyone who suspects her is suspicious and more like wolf making calculated plays that are beneficial to her group project

[WindowsXP]

I was fine (not agree with but understand) with your logic but the last sentence feels like a huge jump to me. You're going from "T3 might be scum trying to get Kitty elim'd today" to "T3 and Kitty seem S/S or maybe Vasex"

I'm thinking through the associatives. T3 scummy and Vasex defends him while also pushing kitty and creating Arte/Ana counterwagon when the T3 wagon was getting hot. Vasex also goes on about being ok with giving up both kitty/T3 as double elim while knowing this isn't actually gonna be a thing.

Tbh, I had more equity in the Kitty/T3 theory when T3 had only claimed BP, the subsequent change of claim to gated cop made this less likely

Why would a scum {copy-paste the rest}?
A townie could be over-excited at knowing a very likely scum from their pov, scum wouldn't have this motivation.

See my response to this issue above, its not a great play as ever alignment, but makes very little sense given that the consensus had already swung hard to eliming kitty d2

Gist of it is
-you are confident in T3 being scum (and me vice versa)
-such that you are basing numerous other reads on him being scum
-meaning we won't be on the same page this game until T3 flips

Anastasia and Vasex appear to have very similar reads outside of each other and kitty.

Samantha town told in my eyes;

Spoiler:

I'm gonna echo the sentiment not just for your dkkoba reasoning but for mine too

the main reason I think ndmath and anastasia are town is because of their critical view of me

there's 0 reason to think I'm town this game lol

even the posts I made that weren't mechanical were borderline mechanical, and the few that were neither were basically nothing

idc though appeal to rathe and I'll change my vote; I haven't even read any of your past posts

"You shouldn't be townreading me." is something I've seen from town numerous times but not from scum; Just is not something scum think since one of there main goals is to get townread.

My reads feel static right now.

VOTE: cabd
L-2

The whole "pocket attempt denied"/"why aren't you SRing me" is pretty NAI. This feels like a convenient way to explain vote pivot away from Samantha to Cabd

My vote was on Enchant at that time and "Pocket attempt denied" is a windows quote.
I also noticed Cabd wagon was filled with townreads/townleans for me apart from Etine & dcl, which was a heavy factor.

Spoiler:

There's too many people I dislike on the Cabd wagon..

UNVOTE: Cabd

Cabd [9] - deep-city-lights, Nero Cain, Rathe, Save The Dragons, samantha97, Anastasia, Etine, Vasex, NDMath

Rathe, NDMath, sam?, Nero Cain. Not all scum probably!

I made a kneejerk unvote and decision but yeesh I looked at Cabd's reads and I was just in so much disagreement I couldn't possibly think he made them as town.

The early part of the Etine/Windows interaction (starting at first quoted post ending at the latter) is so odd on Etine's end. Am repeating Windows but etine struggles to explain his reason and Etine's frustration at Windows here seems unfounded.

Windows, will you vote Cabd? And when?

when T3 and Kitty acknowledge their targets + CabD has a chance to speak.

I am fine with checking Etine, Enchant, T3, or ND.

Why is checking T3 even in consideration for you?


On Andres, I don't like him wanting to elim a cop today, and I don't like his proposed pool for the cops to check in. The other major thing he did was get frustrated at vasex.
VOTE: Andres


This is what the game looks like to me:
Vasex samantha Kerset
Windows T3 Rathe
Nero Mark Dragons Anya
Anastasia Dunnstral

DGB dcl A50
Etine Cabd Andres
Enchant Kitty

oh my bad I did not see the line break.

[Anya]

have you watched Madoka Magica anastasia?

[Vasex]

yeah Anastasia's reads depend heavily on how they're viewing her

she seems competent and smart so it's less likely she's town who just thinks anyone who suspects her is suspicious and more like wolf making calculated plays that are beneficial to her group project

will you marry me?
even if you are mafia