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[DkKoba]

how does anya and i even remotely make sense

[DkKoba]

anya has made it very clear they will only lim me - yes, they're basically confirmed scum here to me but like ?

[DkKoba]

I still think asteria and Lemons as the scum PRs though.
You have to remember, Scum know how many guns they have. Before Clidd claimed, and before Lemons claimed we have 3 PRs (1 being dead). With just 2 alive PRs I think it would have been harder for them to lim in this so Lemons adding to the mix only makes sense to claim back to the PRs.
Not to mention, if Clidd is town here, they know town have another PR with a gun and most likely want to try and draw this out.

If we lim a town, Town Dk always hits scum if not blocked. However, the doctor may just cover one of the PRs in hope of killing DK there.
I still think a lim on a PR basically VT now is better.

Lemons scum means that Pooky isn't cleared (To clarify before I get some dumb question to why, the checks would have been No gun and not killed as Lemons would be scum. So Pooky

COULD

be a traitor or Doc).
I don't think Pooky will ever be scum here though, but this needs to be said.

The pool for asteria has to be Anya / Osuka / Andre. Outside of this is a scum claim.

If both Dk and asteria ever claim RB then asteria is always lying. RB only exists on a DK town. Andante proved this by getting a result.

Concerning Clidd, he reads the game carefully. It's just makes no sense to claim a PR here when we are already focused there due to Lemons.
I'm most confident that Lemons and Clidd are not a pair. I also don't think asteria and Clidd are ever an acceptable paring here.

This leaves
Lemons + asteria - From how both claims were given, it's high plausible. This would mean that we have a

Gunsmith / 1shot detective / Weak Vig to scums Doc / Traitor / Role blocker.

Lemons + Dk - This is the only pair I can see outside of the pairing from voting. Reason being that neither of these are being voted, but both led the voting. Setup would be

Gunsmith / Non con Neo / 1 Shot detective vs Traitor + Rolecop + Doc

asteria + Dk - This just doesn't make sense for 2 scum to fake claim so early with at least 1 knowing the amount of guns they have, and the other having an idea or also knowing. Setup will be

Gunsmith / 1 shot detective / N2 Rolecop vs Doc / Traitor / Goon(?)

Clidd + Dk - This is the opposite pairing to voting. It's plausible. Setup would be

Gunsmith / Non con Neo / N2 Rolecop vs Doc / traitor / Goon (?)

Dk scum resolves the though of a RB. I haven't seen any evidence to scum having any powers outside of the above.
Option 1 does seem weak for town, and this is what splits my thought. If the mod is in favour of a scum sided game I think this one is the one.
Option 2 is highly town sided, I don't really like this one as much.
Option 3 looks more balanced, but I favour this the least out of the 4.
Option 4 is again town sided. This would be my second option.

As a whole Dk feels like the right option here as they are linked 3 of 4 to be scum.


Clidd - thinks scum is Asteria and Lemons - Voting Asteria
Dk - thinks scum is Lemons and asteria - Voting asteria
asteria - Thinks scum is Dk and Clidd - Voting Clidd
Lemons - Thinks scum is Dk and Clidd - Voting Clidd

A note to take.
I recently finished a game with Clidd where a N1 detective was in the game. This game also had a Gunsmith but not a Vig (Pooky was also in this game). It could simply be a role taken from that game for a fake claim.
But that said, I think Clidd would know that this could be considered as suspicious and he knows I like to refer to previous games for reasoning.
I haven't felt the effort I did from Clidd yet, but benefit of the doubt here it's still early days on a replace in.

@Lemons / Dk / asteria / Clidd

Can you list in order your views on scum to town within the VTs? (Me, Pooky, Anya, Osuka, Andre) I'm not looking for reasons (at least at this point).

@Pooky / Anya / Osuka / Andre

Can you confirm your 2 favoured scum PRs?

I know some of this information is already out there, but I want an updated view, and something I can put into one place.

Anya>Andres>VFP>Osuka>Pooky

[Anya]

ok so i just won a town game with anya in it - lowkey my read on anya has been flipping in it because of it, and i lean town on her here based off it now, even though her push on me is bad.

anya has made it very clear they will only lim me - yes, they're basically confirmed scum here to me but like ?

funny how that works

dkkoba was fine calling me town earlier but when i kept persisting in calling them wolf i'm now "confirmed scum" to them

this is an impostor caught venting

[Anya]

also does your reasoning for wanting anya dead go beyond "she's on the asteria wagon"

anya feels very surface level and barely playing the game

that's not true at all though i care so much too much really

[Anya]

vfp i think dkkoba and lemons for wolf guns

a lot less confident on oranges than dkkoba that turnaround on me from them is very very wolfy

they can think i'm suspicious for wrongly suspecting them sure but "confirmed scum" is definitely not genuine when they thought i was town just a little bit ago

[DkKoba]

ok so i just won a town game with anya in it - lowkey my read on anya has been flipping in it because of it, and i lean town on her here based off it now, even though her push on me is bad.

anya has made it very clear they will only lim me - yes, they're basically confirmed scum here to me but like ?

funny how that works

dkkoba was fine calling me town earlier but when i kept persisting in calling them wolf i'm now "confirmed scum" to them

this is an impostor caught venting

its amazing its almost like my read on you can evolve because you are stagnant and refuse to move because you dont wanna lose your safe town lim it seems moreso than just a bad town tunnel

[Anya]

that's not evolving that's an emergency surgery adding 5 limbs-ing

i don't think you go from town to confirmed wolf just bc my read on you doesn't change in 2 days

[DkKoba]

whatever

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think if everyone is agreed on lemons then we elim lemons first?

I think one of Koba/Asteria has to be town just from a balance perspective.

I like Clidd as town more than Lemons.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also if Lemons flips as something like scum rolecop then we know we dont have a scum roleblocker and koba is guranteed lying

[Datisi]

vote count 3.10

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-05-07 10:00:00).

execution

DkKoba [2]:

Anya, Andresvmb

Asteria [2]:

DkKoba, clidd

clidd [2]:

InsidiousLemons, Asteria

VFP [1]:

osuka

not voting [2]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, VFP

mod notes

~ andresvmb is v/la until today

flavour

[DkKoba]

also if Lemons flips as something like scum rolecop then we know we dont have a scum roleblocker and koba is guranteed lying

why cant combined roles exist? lmao?

[clidd]

Hum.

[DkKoba]

but fine. i think asteria is roleblocker still.

VOTE: lemon

[clidd]

The change of instance of Dk on Anya is a bit radical, but not necessarily scummy, maybe town "omgusing". Anya has reflected me as generic town for a while due to the organic way of posting, but I would not rule out the chance of scum!she, although I would also had to force my mind to accept that Osuka and Andres are both town to accept such scenario.

pedit: I can vote there too.

[clidd]

also does your reasoning for wanting anya dead go beyond "she's on the asteria wagon"

anya feels very surface level and barely playing the game

I'm kind of lazy rn, but iirc that's how town!Anya plays.

[InsidiousLemons]

@Lemons / Dk / asteria / Clidd

Can you list in order your views on scum to town within the VTs? (Me, Pooky, Anya, Osuka, Andre) I'm not looking for reasons (at least at this point).

right now form scum to town it's probably:

VFP, andres, osuka, anya, pooky

keep in mind though i don't believe there's more than one scum in here to begin with, so it's a bit misleading to put them in a linear order since everyone after VFP is at least a townlean. i wrote out my reasons so i have them on standby when you want 'em. i assume you don't want them yet because you don't want some of us piggybacking off of others, which i guess makes sense

[Asteria]

I'm most confident that Lemons and Clidd are not a pair. I also don't think asteria and Clidd are ever an acceptable paring here.

asteria - Thinks scum is Dk and Clidd - Voting Clidd

@Lemons / Dk / asteria / Clidd

Can you list in order your views on scum to town within the VTs? (Me, Pooky, Anya, Osuka, Andre) I'm not looking for reasons (at least at this point).

Can you explain again why clidd and lemons can't be a pair?

You have a mistake in my pairing. I think DK is town because of mech. I think the scum are clidd and lemons. That's why I'm interested in the above. If I'm wrong then it's clidd and DK

Osuka, Anya, Andre, Pooky, VFP

@Lemons / Dk / asteria / Clidd
Can you list in order your views on scum to town within the VTs? (Me, Pooky, Anya, Osuka, Andre) I'm not looking for reasons (at least at this point).

I'm leaning town on you (Vfp), Pooky and Anya.

Not sure on DK (can't find good enough reasons to townread or scumread, but can be scum by PoE). They're null.

Leaning scum on Osuka and Andres (one scum between them).

Did you just put Koba in the VT pool?

i think if everyone is agreed on lemons then we elim lemons first?

I think one of Koba/Asteria has to be town just from a balance perspective.

I like Clidd as town more than Lemons.

I don't fully agree on lemons. I would much much prefer clidd

[clidd]

Apparently the wagon on Asteria isn't going to happen.

[clidd]

@Lemon

Assuming that your elimination occurs today, do you have final reads?

[Anya]

also does your reasoning for wanting anya dead go beyond "she's on the asteria wagon"

i'm so deep under the surface in content i'm in the earth's core everyone needs to stop making this outlandish claim
anya feels very surface level and barely playing the game

I'm kind of lazy rn, but iirc that's how town!Anya plays.

[Anya]

i fused what i said into the post that's how deep in i am

[DkKoba]

i chuckled - but you're still scummy here

[InsidiousLemons]

@Lemon

Assuming that your elimination occurs today, do you have final reads?

aight here goes hail mary readslist time

GUN POOL (2 scum):

clidd: the second most likely to be scum, and my personal pick for an elim today. a large part of the reason comes from the knowledge of my own role -- i don't think d1 detective/n2 rolecop/gunsmith is nearly strong enough. as i've said before, it's strongly suspect to me that salsa wouldn't reveal their N1 check info. asteria plus clidd is absolutely an acceptable combination to me and i find it strange that VFP

koba:

asteria:

lemons: idk check was kinda sus :/

VT POOL (1 scum)

osuka:

anya:

andres:

VFP:

pooky: conf-VT