Large Normal 232—Sibyl's Elegy [GAME OVER]

[The Bulge]

Votecount 1.34

T3

[9] - Rathe, KittyTacky, Etine, samantha97, DrippingGoofball, Marky Mark, Kerset, Anya, Vasex

Cabd

[4] - Nero Cain, Save The Dragons, WindowsXP, NDMath

Andresvmb

[2] - Dunnstral, T3

Enchant

[2] - Enchant, bloodhail

Vasex

[1] - Anastasia

Nero Cain

[1] - Andresvmb

Anastasia

[1] - Cabd

Not voting

- Almost50

With 21 players alive, it will take 11 votes to achieve an elimination.

The deadline for Day 1 is Thursday, May 6 at 3:00 am EDT/7 GMT. You have (expired on 2021-05-06 03:00:00).

Mod Note

Cabd and Etine v/la

[Vasex]

i mean if he just a simple scum why he didn't plan his claiming with other guys in chat to avoid this mistake? or he just dont have a chat because he is alone? or maybe this is true?

[Rathe]

my thought was that it was a mistake to claim bulletproof so he said he is not

[Vasex]

or maybe he has bad partners in chat... with all these replacements and vla

[Rathe]

being a bulletproof mafia probably means there is a vigilante otherwise he is town who lied

[Rathe]

thats y i tell xp that bad play should be punished if he is town who lied

[Vasex]

does mafia usually know the traitor?
does traitor usually know mafia?

[Rathe]

thats worse case scenario best case scenario is he is mafia

[Rathe]

does mafia usually know the traitor?
does traitor usually know mafia?

the traitor know who the mafia is but the mafia do not know who the traitor is but they know there is a traitor

[DrippingGoofball]

@WindowsXP

You are my favorite boomer operating system.

Who should I vote for?

[Vasex]

best case scenario is he is mafia

so his partners let him claim 1-2 night cop even it was in the previous game? the idea here is that he made up this by himself only. othervise this theory doesnt fit well with 4 other partners

[Vasex]

i dont believe that he is so much afk right now when he has 8-9 votes...

[DrippingGoofball]

thats y i tell xp that bad play should be punished if he is town who lied

If he's town, claiming BP as cop isn't a bad play.

[Vasex]

Normal Guidelines
A Traitor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, as long as it:

is Mafia-aligned
knows the identities of all of the Mafia team
identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists
cannot be recruited to join the rest of the Mafia team, and (unless Bulletproof) is killed if shot
is endgamed if all other Mafia are dead
gives a "guilty" result to Cops, an "innocent" result to Gunsmiths, and a "Traitor" result to Role Cops
If you want a Traitor that cannot be killed by its team, make it a Bulletproof Traitor. (A Traitor that investigates as though they were town is not Normal, because the Godfather role is not Normal.) Roles like this should return full names (e.g. Bulletproof Traitor) to a Role Cop investigating them.

As a Traitor is Mafia-aligned, it counts towards the Mafia's win condition. For example, in the situation of 1 Goon, 1 Traitor and 2 Townies, the game ends in a Mafia win.

Use and Power
Traitors are used to provide "half-Mafia" in games where they are having a hard time deciding whether they want to include an additional Mafioso. They can also be used simply to give scum someone to look out for in single-faction games. Their power depends on what combination of the above variations is employed and how quickly the scum find their Traitor. If the Mafia know who their Traitor is, they arguably have gained another member, even if they can't speak to them.

In Theme games, it is fairly common for a Traitor to have some additional role to help them help their faction. For example, a Traitor who does not know who their Mafia allies are may well be made into a Cop to help them find them, or a Traitor might be given the ability to indirectly help their team at night with a Roleblocker ability or the like.

Note that if there is a Traitor in the game, this implies that the main Mafia group is undersized by one.

It is important that there be some means of counteracting the ability for scum to kill their own Traitor, as this can lead to uncomfortable situations at ELo where the scum quickhammer and then kill their Traitor for what they thought was the win.

Play Advice
If the scum know that there is a Traitor in the game, it should not be difficult for the Traitor to distinguish themselves to the scum. Just do something outrageously scummy or eye-catching for them.

Because the Traitor cannot perform the Night-kill and may lose if the main scum die, the "bad Townie" strategy may be a good one to consider. Try fakeclaiming an incriminating result on some random Townie in order to score a free mislim.

seems possible
he claimed bulletproof and then cop, but cop can be not real because of strange form and he was like that in previous game...
fuck. i became the supporter of traitor's theory and i understand both how people came to it and how possible t3's actions are in that case
in my understanding he is a newbie traitor who because of lack of experience didn't predict that it will be too suspicious to claim like that to show that he is a traitor?
i was just lazy to dig in roles and claims, and believed kitty and enchant are scums, so it was hard to look on t3 like a scum
i couldnt imagine that i will be voting a claimed cop/traitor in the end of the day one

[Save The Dragons]

got the covid vaccine and got super sick, will try to catch up when i can

[Vasex]

STD, you are a scum with T3 traitor. I was right about you two when you tried to hang me.

[Save The Dragons]

you are a lot of noise

[Vasex]

the noise who will be lynching only scums in this game

[Vasex]

give him tenth vote

[T3]

No. At least wait for my check so we get a confirmed player later.

[Vasex]

No what? What is your role? Claim it

[Vasex]

It can take seconds to elim you by andre,enchant,a50,maybe cabd

[Vasex]

Tell me more about whats going on, what you think.
Dont write so short messages

[Vasex]

I see.

[Marky Mark]

T3, are you specifically a N1/N2 cop or does your role PM state that you are a 2 shot cop?