In post 202, Samawoodo wrote:Acually @catboi , from my POE, u have started getting townie points in your last posts, not enought to consider you a townie atm, we are 9 players atm and is hard to "gamble" anything right now.
You asked me before about who i was suspecting, im going to try making a proper list
My strongest townie read atm is Norwee as i said.
Then N_M (losing points because inactivity maybe (?) ) and maybe Pearl (between null/ slightly townie)
Then right now you are null with meuh
Marci was null, but i dont like how she feels worried about a null reading coming from an almost afk player (Toriii), is like she is trying to "demostrate" he is townie yes or yes, and this made me feel like
Toriii low profile is kinda sus (and didn't answer the fact he is suspecting one of the stronger townie reads (from my poe as i said), dunno if is lack of reading, or just random pointing), but i cant talk too much about low profiles because my participation is just "enough" (being generous with myself)
iN3kro feels kinda scummy aswell.
So, to start off, Sama calls marci null but makes sure to hedge a bit by mentioning something he doesn't like. By itself, not much notable at all, but it does feel like a read scum might leave on a partner, so that if their partner gets caught they can point back to this to try and take credit for suspecting them.
In post 257, Samawoodo wrote: In post 228, marcistar wrote:Samawoodoo you placed a vote on tori in 15, but haven't changed votes at all since then. Is there a reason for this..? Does the vote still hold true to your thoughts on this game as of currently..?
At first it was kinda random as you can guess, he hadn’t posted yet, so it was to force him to speak.
But then, he had weird posts, pointing norwee because his posts were kinda scummy (we asked for them and he didn’t reply), then he said norwee was more townie (norwee has been playing since the beginning townie as fuck)
And then his activity is not the best (trying to be low profile?)
Idk, I don’t have a better option right now for D1
Past this, he rarely interacts with or mentions marcistar, the one really notable time is explaining himself here. I think in particular for a newer player, the most common tendency is to avoid their partner, because they know they're on the same team and don't see as much need to pay attention to what their partner is posting or talk to them.
In post 107, marcistar wrote:Toriiiiiiiiiiii -
neutral
Earlier, I thought they were kinda nervous/unsure, but I didn't know if it would point to anything. I dont think they're scummy as of rn, just seems like they need to get the groove into things still
I didn't agree to how he could be seen as awkward earlier in the phase, though I find it quite weird that since he defended himself, he hasn't come on since.. It might be because of timezones and him not having time, but I would really like to see him give more reads at this point.
I'm not really sure he had town intentions in mind, he seems kinda chaotic (like he doesn't wanna help town all that much.) What he's done is very surface level... (does that make sense?). I would like to see him come in a bit more often also.
As of right now, nothing meuh has done stands out as different from the other games I have played onsite with her (where she's always been town so far). Though I'll still be keeping out my eye for her
I feel like they've been playing with the goal of helping town in mind, so they're a very big townread from me (:
I feel like it will be very hard to read him, but I don't really think anything he's said so far has been scummy.
NorwegianboyEE (SE) -
town
How much they contributed at the beginning makes me think hes town trying to help us out as much as possible. I don't really see the helpfulness coming from a scumplayer.
I agree that we need more contributions from him now that he's had a bit of time to get in, though that isn't enough to put him as a scumread imo because he hasn't said anything weird/wrong yet.
Notably, in marci's first reads list, she has Sama as "slight scum" but puts emphasis on wanting to see more reads from him - I also think this is fairly typical scum play for a newer player, you see your partner isn't saying much so you lightly pressure them/ask for reads to get them into the game/make it seem like they're contributing.
In post 164, marcistar wrote:hen in i looked back to see what might make you think this way, and ask you if
83 is what pinged you..?
does this make sense..? im getting so confused rnnnn
In post 162, Meuh wrote:The way Sama has been positioned and the way people have interacted with them have me uneasy
I should go and read back as to why I'm uneasy but when I ISOed ppl earlier to make the questions I felt like Sama was positioned in a way I could see them in a lot of different scumpairs, which is why i asked so many ppl about them
What scumpairs do you see him in?
tbh I wouldn't be surprised if hes scum... I expected him to be a bit more active/give a bit more reads since he said he's played before, he hasn't really casted suspicion onto anyone except in3kro, so I think if samawoodoo is scum in3kro wouldn't be..?
Samawoodoo
can you get in thread and give some reads/a readslist..?
im so conflicted, I think I need to readback on everybody because I don't think my 2 biggest suses rn would be in a team together
Although she continues to vocalize suspicion of Sama here, there's what I would call a
hesitance
to put real pressure on him.
In post 183, marcistar wrote: In post 179, Samawoodo wrote:I dont see the point of that tbh, i mean, is not like he asked you for a 2v2 or something like that (anyway, that wouldn't be a problem either). Is like you are being so defensive without reason
(We are at D1 still)
I agree, I don't see the point on him holding out reads
In post 179, Samawoodo wrote:If someone ask about my thoughts, i wouldnt have any problem sharing them
on this note, do you have any thoughts on other people..?
In post 207, marcistar wrote: In post 202, Samawoodo wrote:Marci was null, but i dont like how she feels worried about a null reading coming from an almost afk player (Toriii), is like she is trying to "demostrate" he is townie yes or yes, and this made me feel like
I just wanna know their thought process behind it, I don't mind if they scumread me just wanna know why
In post 228, marcistar wrote:Samawoodoo
you placed a vote on tori in
15, but haven't changed votes at all since then. Is there a reason for this..? Does the vote still hold true to your thoughts on this game as of currently..?
This is where it gets interesting - despite qusetioning him, there's no real followthrough from marcistar. Did she think Samawoodo's answers were ok? Not enough? We don't really know. She just moves on to...
In post 303, marcistar wrote: In post 290, catboi wrote:Are you actually interested in flipping me? How is that supposed to give information on those two?
If you think Meuh is a better vote, that's fine, I've already said I don't oppose it.
Explain what bothered you about that Samawoodo post?
Like, if I had to pick between the wagons you would be the one i'm most interested in. But this was before norwegienboyees vote on meuh.
(I feel like I need to vote within somewhere thats already voted, because not alot of people are budging, and we need info from a flip.)
Well, meuhs buddying you, and samawoodoos buddying her is how I see it.
So I think generally in most cases, scum wouldn't be buddying scum.
so like if ur scum, meuhs not. if ur town, meuhs not. thats what i was originally thinking but when i think more idk
but i still dont like meuh following after you so easily, I don't see a reason for her to.
so then like to explain about samawoodoo, it just seems like he did that because meuh has those kind of thoughts also. (like meuh said ur more townie... and then samawoodoo says ur more townie..) though he could just see meuh as a really townie town leader I guess..?
it just sort of seems like... not really buddying actually but... having too similar thoughts to her..?
Here, suddenly, when me and Meuh were getting pressure, she's okay with voting
us
, and is mentioning Samawoodo as possibly being connected somehow. He's in the background, mentioned as a possible suspicion, but she's suddenly trying to justify pushing other players. Notable, too, is the way she trise to draw connections between Samawoodo and me/meuh - as scum know their partner is mafia, they will often try to tie them to a townie before they flip, so that if their partner gets caught they have someone to push on. Keep this type of behavior in mind.
In post 312, marcistar wrote:for the samawoodoo stuff: like, he just seems to be doing alot of what you are..? which is why i kinda thought meuh + samawoodoo might be the scumteam. (like meuh doing stuff, and samawoodoo being inexperienced scum, so he just copies what his partner (meuh) does.)
Again, another instance where she's trying to tie Meuh to samawoodo on day 1. Keep in mind this is happening while several players are voting Meuh, while there's much less traction on Samawoodo. I also don't really think is a very logical reason to see them as being teamed.
In post 327, marcistar wrote: In post 320, catboi wrote:That's an interesting point about Sama repeating opinions. Do you have other examples of this?
Huhhh im so confused, I remembered seeing it before... but now that i'm reading back..
I think it held more weight in my mind at the time, but now doesn't hold as much weight. Their very beginning of the game together.
Also when he was like
At the time it felt very much like a copy of others.. though I guess not strictly Meuh..? IDK why I remember these things as linked to meuh
I think it's because he said that soon after meuh said "maybe slight scum lean" or something like that.
But then when I question her on her read, she can't back it up. She can't really name a specific instance of Samawoodo copying reads like she said. To me it feels like she invented some shade on her partner to distance from him, but couldn't justify it when questioned on it, and didn't want to case her partner in a way that would get him voted, so she walked back the read when questioned on it.
This is getting long, so I'll break up the VFP stuff into its own post.