DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[Lady Lambdadelta]

maybe i'm missing meta here but why mastina of all people, i'm looking at her iso and it's like normal to me. what are you so annoyed with, at least she made reads

She made reads on the whole game.

Where is the justification for those reads, Marry? Go on. Find them for me. Find the justification for a full reads list in Defcon 4.

I won't accept anyone being left out. 24 different people. She needs reasons for all of them. She gave reads on them all after all right?

i... i don't vibe with this, i think you would likely be irritated if she had 'reasons' for all of it and wouldn't be satisfied with that either. it's NAI to me, and honestly i can kind of follow mastina's vague train of thought actually

What is the difference between Mastina's list and a random.org one.

[The Church of Skitter]

maybe i'm missing meta here but why mastina of all people, i'm looking at her iso and it's like normal to me. what are you so annoyed with, at least she made reads

I have a lot of experience w/ mastina she’s probably scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like actually marry. You want to get into this so we will get into this.

You say you follow Mastina's "vague logic".

Show me. Explain her reads as better than random.

[samantha97]

What is the difference between Mastina's list and a random.org one.

random.org correctly placed me at the top

[Prism]

It is unreasonable. Mastina is a human being and another player who has every much of a right to be here as either of us, and nothing she has done this game has suggested otherwise.

I don't have to like her or respect her play/philosophy on the game to believe this.

If you think I'm shitting the discussion from her being scum, then okay, but I absolutely take issue with this. Standing up for players right to be here and play the game should not be a point of debate and is not AI. This is disgusting to me on a moral level.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What is the difference between Mastina's list and a random.org one.

random.org correctly placed me at the top

Poggers

[Prism]

I'm done with my moral grandstanding but I vehemently oppose that aspect of voting mastina.

[marry]

i have no meta on mastina and nothing you've said has given me insight on what that is that you're referencing

her list might be based on tone + people communicating a lot. i tend to early-townlean people like this -- pooky, joqiza (and me, im right next to him, i can follow that logic bc of our interactions right?), merlot is high and i tone read her as town, where the skitter hydra is low and et al (people or... just pooky? were scumreading them, not sure if joke), and the ispers/replacements are low. it just seems like, idk, early observations during pregame. my home game does that all the time
these are early, but if i was forced to make a 'reads list' mine might look eerily similar basically

[marry]

nod to Prism

[marry]

Like actually marry. You want to get into this so we will get into this.

You say you follow Mastina's "vague logic".

Show me. Explain her reads as better than random.

why do you phrase this like we're fighting or i've taken a side or something

[Save The Dragons]

i’ll try to post less in the future, sorry

just be you who cares what others think

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i have no meta on mastina and nothing you've said has given me insight on what that is that you're referencing

her list might be based on tone + people communicating a lot. i tend to early-townlean people like this -- pooky, joqiza (and me, im right next to him, i can follow that logic bc of our interactions right?), merlot is high and i tone read her as town, where the skitter hydra is low and et al (people or... just pooky? were scumreading them, not sure if joke), and the ispers/replacements are low. it just seems like, idk, early observations during pregame. my home game does that all the time
these are early, but if i was forced to make a 'reads list' mine might look eerily similar basically

This is not an answer.

This is "I have some similar reads on the townside so I think it is fine"!

What about her scum reads then?

[marry]

i have no meta on mastina and nothing you've said has given me insight on what that is that you're referencing

her list might be based on tone + people communicating a lot. i tend to early-townlean people like this -- pooky, joqiza (and me, im right next to him, i can follow that logic bc of our interactions right?), merlot is high and i tone read her as town, where the skitter hydra is low and et al (people or... just pooky? were scumreading them, not sure if joke), and the ispers/replacements are low. it just seems like, idk, early observations during pregame. my home game does that all the time
these are early, but if i was forced to make a 'reads list' mine might look eerily similar basically

This is not an answer.

This is "I have some similar reads on the townside so I think it is fine"!

What about her scum reads then?

this isn't getting anywhere lol

[VFP]

i’ll try to post less in the future, sorry

just be you who cares what others think

Scum care.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like actually marry. You want to get into this so we will get into this.

You say you follow Mastina's "vague logic".

Show me. Explain her reads as better than random.

why do you phrase this like we're fighting or i've taken a side or something

Because it's mafia. Or is your experience more hugs and laughter and everyone getting along?

I am town and I suspect you are not so I am putting pressure on you to answer me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i have no meta on mastina and nothing you've said has given me insight on what that is that you're referencing

her list might be based on tone + people communicating a lot. i tend to early-townlean people like this -- pooky, joqiza (and me, im right next to him, i can follow that logic bc of our interactions right?), merlot is high and i tone read her as town, where the skitter hydra is low and et al (people or... just pooky? were scumreading them, not sure if joke), and the ispers/replacements are low. it just seems like, idk, early observations during pregame. my home game does that all the time
these are early, but if i was forced to make a 'reads list' mine might look eerily similar basically

This is not an answer.

This is "I have some similar reads on the townside so I think it is fine"!

What about her scum reads then?

this isn't getting anywhere lol

This is also not an answer.

Where did Mastina get her scumreads from, Marry?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The wonderful thing about Defcon is you can avoid questions but you can't avoid thermonuclear death.

[Cephrir]

i don't know why you're trying to call mastina scum for playstyle when she is actually a little scummy imo for her content

also please let's not all claim before the game even starts thanks!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i don't know why you're trying to call mastina scum for playstyle when she is actually a little scummy imo for her content

also please let's not all claim before the game even starts thanks!

I'm not calling Mastina scum for playstyle?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am saying Mastina is scum... And also her playstyle needs a yeet out of this game to learn a lesson.

Infact this is a lesson that Prism taught me in an argument we were having so I don't know why Prism is so upset.

[Cephrir]

okay, i have no problem with that then

[VFP]

If mastina flips town I think Cephrir has a chance for scum.

[marry]

Like actually marry. You want to get into this so we will get into this.

You say you follow Mastina's "vague logic".

Show me. Explain her reads as better than random.

why do you phrase this like we're fighting or i've taken a side or something

Because it's mafia. Or

is your experience more hugs and laughter and everyone getting along?

I am town and I suspect you are not so I am putting pressure on you to answer me

my experience is civil discussion actually. i've tried to explain myself to you and you're taking it as a battle..? why is the pressure on me to answer your questions that i've answered as well as possible-- i don't know mastina, i'm not going to speak for her, i don't know exactly what she was thinking in her readslist. why has this suddenly turned into you scumreading me because i'm engaging with you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I was calling Mastina scum back in Defcon 4 right after her reads list.

This isn't isolated. I just remembered that Prism taught me an important lesson about meta and how it will never change unless someone makes it change.

[Titus]

If mastina flips town I think Cephrir has a chance for scum.

Why?