DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[Titus]

VOTE: mastina

[VFP]

If mastina flips town I think Cephrir has a chance for scum.

Why?

The way he voted and already trying to add focus on LLD being the main pusher ready to shift blame tomorrow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like actually marry. You want to get into this so we will get into this.

You say you follow Mastina's "vague logic".

Show me. Explain her reads as better than random.

why do you phrase this like we're fighting or i've taken a side or something

Because it's mafia. Or

is your experience more hugs and laughter and everyone getting along?

I am town and I suspect you are not so I am putting pressure on you to answer me

my experience is civil discussion actually. i've tried to explain myself to you and you're taking it as a battle..? why is the pressure on me to answer your questions that i've answered as well as possible-- i don't know mastina, i'm not going to speak for her, i don't know exactly what she was thinking in her readslist. why has this suddenly turned into you scumreading me because i'm engaging with you

So first of all this is civil. I've not insulted you, I've not yelled at you. I've been forceful with questions. You don't get to decide what I am doing is uncivil. You can like it or not but that doesnt make a difference.

Furthermore, you say you don't know Mastina and won't speak for her but my point was she didnt explain anything and you jumped in to defend her from that saying you actually UNDERSTOOD her reads. The onus is on you after that. You have given some vague "i agree with this read" stuff but nothing that explains how you "understood the vague logic of mastina". Especially her scumreads. I would expect someone who defends her reads as such to have more on the plate.

Finally, you aren't engaging with me. That is why I scum read you. You threw a loose defense of Mastina and when called on it had nothing to back it up so you fall back on agruments of civility and "this isn't getting anywhere".

That is scummy because it doesn't match your prior tone. It is defensive in the way that someone caught with their hand in a cookie jar might sound

[The Church of Skitter]

Cephir’s actions don’t read to me that way at all

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cephir’s actions don’t read to me that way at all

Agree. Ceph was chastizing for poisoning the mastina well potentially with a bad argument.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like it reads to me like Ceph wants Mastina dead and was worried my approach was going to cause her to go free because of a bad argument.

[VFP]

Cephir’s actions don’t read to me that way at all

It's something I'll consider on a flip.
The vote change was pretty quick. I don't think a bus vote though, more like an opportunity.

But I'm okay with mastina as scum so Cephir will not have to threat today.

[The Church of Skitter]

Cephir’s actions don’t read to me that way at all

It's something I'll consider on a flip.
The vote change was pretty quick. I don't think a bus vote though, more like an opportunity.

But I'm okay with mastina as scum so Cephir will not have to threat today.

If ur concern is opportunism it doesn’t read that way to me and I think Ceph is probably fine?

[The Church of Skitter]

If ur ok w/ mastina being scum vote it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cephir’s actions don’t read to me that way at all

It's something I'll consider on a flip.
The vote change was pretty quick. I don't think a bus vote though, more like an opportunity.

But I'm okay with mastina as scum so Cephir will not have to threat today.

Explain how the vote change was pretty quick.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If ur ok w/ mastina being scum vote it.

Yo same hat.

[Cephrir]

If mastina flips town I think Cephrir has a chance for scum.

Why?

The way he voted and already trying to add focus on LLD being the main pusher ready to shift blame tomorrow.

how about you attack me for shifting blame when i shift blame and not because your crystal ball predicts it

[VFP]

Also Cephrir we are damn well going to hallow this ground, just you watch!

I'm unsure what this means but am inspired anyway!

VOTE: church

VOTE: mastina

was thinking about doing this anyway

vote: Mastina

Trust me guys. Something something 13 posts of garbage about meta and how certain I am Mastina is scum something something joining games with friends who won't kill me something something

Yeeting Mastina is good for the health of the game. Get her outta here. Dueces.

@LDD

[Cephrir]

yeah that church vote was getting a lot of traction idk why i jumped ship so fast especially given my airtight argument for them being scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also just saying?

Trying to shift blame onto me is not a move scum Ceph makes because I am shameless. I bathe in blood. Ceph knows that any attempts to throw shade that way just look worse for Ceph. And are pointless. Because I am already going to be shady and look like I drove this wagon ANYWAY.

[VFP]

how about you attack me for shifting blame when i shift blame and not because your crystal ball predicts it

Mastina scum I actually like the swap and position there.
Thats why I I'm giving my magic 8 ball a good ole shake

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also Cephrir we are damn well going to hallow this ground, just you watch!

I'm unsure what this means but am inspired anyway!

VOTE: church

VOTE: mastina

was thinking about doing this anyway

vote: Mastina

Trust me guys. Something something 13 posts of garbage about meta and how certain I am Mastina is scum something something joining games with friends who won't kill me something something

Yeeting Mastina is good for the health of the game. Get her outta here. Dueces.

@LDD

Why the fuck does everyone use LDD.
It's
Lady
Lambda
Delta.

Anyway. What you have shown here is an RVS joke vote for pressurr purposes to respond to DV.

Then a real vote following my vote because they had a scum read there.

Do you see otherwise?

[VFP]

If ur ok w/ mastina being scum vote it.

I refuse to ever vote here.

[The Church of Skitter]

If ur ok w/ mastina being scum vote it.

Yo same hat.

Furret heart

[marry]

So first of all this is civil. I've not insulted you, I've not yelled at you. I've been forceful with questions. You don't get to decide what I am doing is uncivil. You can like it or not but that doesnt make a difference.

Furthermore, you say you don't know Mastina and won't speak for her but my point was she didnt explain anything and you jumped in to defend her from that saying you actually UNDERSTOOD her reads. The onus is on you after that. You have given some vague "i agree with this read" stuff but nothing that explains how you "understood the vague logic of mastina". Especially her scumreads. I would expect someone who defends her reads as such to have more on the plate.

Finally, you aren't engaging with me. That is why I scum read you. You threw a loose defense of Mastina and when called on it had nothing to back it up so you fall back on agruments of civility and "this isn't getting anywhere".

That is scummy because it doesn't match your prior tone. It is defensive in the way that someone caught with their hand in a cookie jar might sound

youre kinda right with the last part, it doesn't match my previous tone - i was pretty frustrated at initially seeing your replies to me because i was reading them as overly aggressive, and had a response that basically said "okay nuke me then mastina is town" typed up which... like wasnt the message i wanted to send to someone i don't know and was trying to work with with varying success. i don't knwo if mastina is town and i don't wanna die so soon because i had a flimsy read and couldn't back it up bc i spoke faster than i thought, which is objectively true. i'm used to a different playstyle, but what you're saying i don't even disagree with re: the reads list. what i've said about mastina's reads list stands, that i can kinda see the vague logic of putting people who talked a lot and seem Towny at the top, and the lurkers/people who are getting scumread at the bottom... btu that doesnt make it towny so i'mma drop it. i don't want this to be seen as backpedaling, i'm just real nervous
i didn't mean to sour this conversation and i hope we can talk more about reads

[Titus]

I'm blatantly sheeping LLD here. I have no independent read on mastina but she, generally, has a strong radar day 1.

[Cephrir]

oh, i actually didn't mean that vote as a joke, i have some mild heebie jeebies from church but have absolutely no reasoning for it whatsoever

[Titus]

*LLD is the one with accurate reads.

[The Church of Skitter]

If ur ok w/ mastina being scum vote it.

I refuse to ever vote here.

Why?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh, i actually didn't mean that vote as a joke, i have some mild heebie jeebies from church but have absolutely no reasoning for it whatsoever

Oh really? Read as a joke cause DV seemed so... Not serious. I will need to read context.